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The Changing Man said:
And no one associated with the club - owners, board, manager, players and fans will care a jot, they will be winners and that is what sport remembers. Other fans may mock but you won't here anyone within the sport (a few biased pundits apart) having anything but praise when Arteta delivers the league, if he backs it up with the champions league too, much I don't want to admit it he will deserve all the credit for what he has done.

Fans demand success no matter who you support and in all honesty a winning team ticks more boxes than an entertaining one. I was saw the original incarnation of Tony Pulis at Gillingham, who he got promoted from league 2 at the first attempt (after 4 years in the bottom 4) and the Gills played some of the most diabolical football I have ever watched did the fans care, they came away from the stadium having seen their team win more often than they had for years.

Winning with style is fantastic, but its the winning bit thats most important...
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Fully agreed. There has been many occasions recently where I’ve just wanted Spurs to win by playing ugly and boring. Just like we did in the Final last year.

Man Utd were the dominant force in the 90s and they also had to win by playing boring football but their success were measured by their successes and not necessarily the way they were successful.

Still, I would never want to see any success landing at Arsenal but I may have to accept it’s going to happen.
 
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KingHotspur said:
Under wenger they played good football, if anything they overplayed.

Arteta is very much a results first manager though, if they win the league and champions league it will be a massive achievement but their style of football won’t be remembered as it’s not great
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What do you mean? Their fans say it will be the biggest story in Premier League history since Leicester if they win the league

Which will take at least twenty bullet points to unpack that level of delusion
 
I have no doubt that TalkShite will be able to find Spurs "supporters" who will be wanting West Ham to beat Arsenal, just because they are Arsenal. In fact they could probably find some that would be happy for us to be relegated if it meant Arsenal don't win the league. The weird thing is that these days if given the choice of Arsenal winning the league or Chelsea financially imploding, I must be honest and wish bad things for Chelsea.
 
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Spurlock said:
Business end of the season the quality teams are different gravy imo

Kane and Dembele lickin their lips
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As I said a few weeks ago, PSG seem to be
on the WUM wrt the CL league stage format
(second season they had to do a playoff tie +
then utterly destroying all opponents in the
KO stage) .
 
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The Changing Man said:
Well they do say that there is always an exception that proves the rule - and in this case I might have guessed it would be you....
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I am happy it appears the "demand success"
demographic is a minority

It also forced me to ponder particular words
of St Nicholson (regarding the judgement of
supporters, and the measure of a club) , and
whether there is fundamental conflict therein.
 
The RDBD said:
I am happy it appears the "demand success"
demographic is a minority

It also forced me to ponder particular words
of St Nicholson (regarding the judgement of
supporters, and the measure of a club) , and
whether there is fundamental conflict therein.
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Where did I 'demand success'? Most fans (particularly match going fans), would rather see the team win, than lose with style. Obviously if they win with style thats great, but as we found out just last season being the great entertainers for the neutral and the media isn't so great when you lose more than you win.
 
The Changing Man said:
Where did I 'demand success'?
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"Fans demand success no matter who you support" .

As I said, such appear to be a minority.


"Most fans (particularly match going fans), would rather see the team win, than lose with style.
Obviously if they win with style thats great, but as we found out just last season being the great
entertainers for the neutral and the media isn't so great when you lose more than you win."

My experiment started with one specific aim,
but ended with the begging of a more fundamental question.

I am fortunate this season may be the worst since 1976-77
(would have been a serious test of my willpower if it was
akin to peak BMJ / Arry / Pochettino or pre Sugar era) .
 
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The Changing Man said:
And no one associated with the club - owners, board, manager, players and fans will care a jot, they will be winners and that is what sport remembers. Other fans may mock but you won't here anyone within the sport (a few biased pundits apart) having anything but praise when Arteta delivers the league, if he backs it up with the champions league too, much I don't want to admit it he will deserve all the credit for what he has done.

Fans demand success no matter who you support and in all honesty a winning team ticks more boxes than an entertaining one. I was saw the original incarnation of Tony Pulis at Gillingham, who he got promoted from league 2 at the first attempt (after 4 years in the bottom 4) and the Gills played some of the most diabolical football I have ever watched did the fans care, they came away from the stadium having seen their team win more often than they had for years.

Winning with style is fantastic, but its the winning bit thats most important...
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Just seen this.

You’re completely right.

Plaudits for nice football and no trophies doesn’t come close to actually winning the league or champions league.

Getting it done is the key thing.
 
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Hakimi out for PSG.

Massive blow. Luis Diaz will make a mockery of Zaire-Emery.

Would love for Bayern to get through then Kane destroys Woolwich in the final.
 
Citizen Kane. said:
Hakimi out for PSG.

Massive blow. Luis Diaz will make a mockery of Zaire-Emery.

Would love for Bayern to get through then Kane destroys Woolwich in the final.
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I think Arsenal will find Bayern easier than PSG in the final.

As much as I’d love to see Kane score the winner against them in the final, selfishly I’d rather his season ended earlier for the World Cup. Without him England have no chance.
 
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