Works both ways. The US stopped the ridiculous Chagos deal where it would’ve cost UK taxpayers about £40 billion to give away our own sovereign territory.
These inept and corrupt socialists need kicking out of office asap.
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Works both ways. The US stopped the ridiculous Chagos deal where it would’ve cost UK taxpayers about £40 billion to give away our own sovereign territory.
These inept and corrupt socialists need kicking out of office asap.
Now there speaks a man with sense and wisdom
He has his faults, but fundamentally he's trying to do the right things for the West. and how many persons with his drive and capability can you say that of?
Counter revolutionaries cannot take the affable approach as the Lefties will use any leverage they have to achieve their goals and you have to respond in kind.
Why on earth can't, for once, the other countries in the West simply say- you are right, we are on the road to Hell and we chose to take that path.
We can't defend ourselves, even though Russia has been an obvious threat since Putin came to power, we aren't having babies, we are inviting an ancient enemy into our lands, we make ridiculous social choices that our enemies see as justification to hate us, and want us dead (the same enemies as we invite in).
The West has done wonderful things for civilization, why can't the West just accept that for all their faults they have been a huge force for good and end the self flagellation, self loathing and general idiocy that could potentially propel us into another millenium long dark age.
This is one time when constantly saying "I told you so" does, absolutely, not make me feel good...
Well said Wyn good topics covered and sensible points, you will find 2020 is as far left as they come thats why he gets barley any response to his fishing exercises
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A very myopic point of view by 2020vision (a misnomer if I ever saw one).
The UK has basically disarmed- evidenced by their decrease in actual military capability during the last couple of decades.
Perhaps they could send a destroyer halfway to the Falklands before it had to turn back because it ran out of oranges or something similar.
Do they hope that just because they can't conceivably do what the sainted Maggie did that somehow "disarming" the potential adversary is the answer?
China and Russia are attempting to gain more leverage in the Western Hemisphere, so the strategically unimportant issue of the Falklands takes a back burner.
If it wasn't F16s that Argentina gets, why wouldn't it be J16s or J20s? How does that, in any sense, benefit the UK or the West in general, particularly when Argentina has taken a rather abrupt rightward shift after many years of left leaning decay, and needs Western help and allies.
Boy, you guys in Europe just have to get over the whole TDS thing and actually take a clear-eyed look at what you have become and where you are heading.
2020VisionofLeeds
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It’s more corn than barley I’m looking for.
Who'd have thought that was the reason they come ?....we are the biggest mugs going it's as simple as that
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2020VisionofLeeds
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It might surprise you but I agree with a lot of that - Europe needs to defend itself as America is too weak to do it for us anymore, with all their other responsibilities. The main reason I’d like to see the back of Starmer is he has pratted around talking and ‘committing’ but actually has done very little (yes it’s due to the Conservatives hollowing out our armed forces over the previous 14 years, true, but it’s obvious to everyone the world has changed and Starmer’s response has been the reaction if a small grey mouse).
Not bothered about the F16’s either. What I was pointing out to the UK people on here, most of whom think Trump has the sun shining out of his ass and is a blessing not just for America but the UK as well, is that he is treating us like he’s a 6 year old playground bully.
I’m genuinely interested to know, is there any perception in the US of how he comes over to his supposed allies? It goes way beyond ‘encouraging’ us to do more on defence, he comes over as wanting complete subservience. That’s not treating us as allies, it’s treating us as vassals. There’s always been a bit of that, with all Presidents, because of the power imbalance, but this is way beyond what is justified.
If you want allies to stop buying American weapons, stop falling into line (like recently re Iran), start looking at alternatives to relying on the US, keep going down the Trump route, but don’t complain at some of the results when they start to appear over the next few years. It will take a decade for a real change but I think he’s kicked it off.
He’s right we should spend more, imho he’s wrong in every other respect.
Don't worry when the backbenchers get rid of the spineless robot the alternatives are of great calibre... interesting choices between mad netty ed,tax cheat ange,Dave clueless lambo,Rachel office clerk reeves,shabana dinghy Mahmood,pat more benefits McFadden,John don't need any armed forces Healey,Wes waiting lists down streeting, etc....i wouldn't be surprised to see Zack pearly whites pooooolanski complete a hostile takeover of labour HQ with his band of potted plants...
2020VisionofLeeds
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You’re not wrong. Problem is you can go through the Conservatives, Greens, Lib Dem’s and Reform with similar disdain. God ‘elp us why are all our politicians so effing useless?Don't worry when the backbenchers get rid of the spineless robot the alternatives are of great calibre... interesting choices between mad netty ed,tax cheat ange,Dave clueless lambo,Rachel office clerk reeves,shabana dinghy Mahmood,pat more benefits McFadden,John don't need any armed forces Healey,Wes waiting lists down streeting, etc....i wouldn't be surprised to see Zack pearly whites pooooolanski complete a hostile takeover of labour HQ with his band of potted plants...
2020VisionofLeeds
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Being a Brit that has lived in the UK, and was in the Royal Air Force reserve, has lived in Canada, and was a similar reservist there, and in the US as a member of the Air National guard (104th Fighter Wing, Barnes ANG base, Westfield MA, "retired" in 1990 due to degraded vision
) I've kept a close eye on the various armed forces of the three countries over the years.What makes you think the US is weak? Certainly, under the auspices of various progressive administrations since 2009 (I'm looking at you Obama and Biden) that was objectively true, but there seems to be sufficient evidence to suggest that a change is occurring.
I despair at what I see has happened in the UK and Canada, and the totally ridiculous pearl clutching that is occurring.
What country is stronger? The US force posture in Europe has barely changed recently, having been reduced c. 1990, and in fact has actually grown in strength since Putin's invasion of the Ukraine, and US administrations have been asking the other members for many years to not allow their militaries to waste away under the incorrect assumption that the end of history and the triumph of the West is upon us, and to keep up their end of the bargain, and a bargain it was. The US never signed up to be the sole protector of Europe while the European nanny states did less and less and grew more and more anti-freedom as the EU gradually subsumed the continent
If the Europeans feel they are being treated as vassals, maybe they shouldn't behave as if they are vassals. Why does the US have to spend 3.5-6.5% of their GDP on the military while the Europeans get to spend (mostly) sub 2% much of which is on personnel and remnant infrastructure with little modern hardware to back it up?
They have been asked, politely, many times, by numerous US administrations, and they just give the US the middle finger. About time that the US was more assertive.
Tough love is sometimes necessary. Why is it not justified? Aren't decades of nice asking, but being ignored, sufficient justification?
Look in a mirror. You sound like teenagers who have long ignored their parents' advice and are now seeing the consequences.
About time you grew up.
As for buying non-US weapons. Great. At one point you actually had an arms industry, but it has been largely allowed to wither on the vine.
Maybe if the French and Germans could stop their pissing contest over who gets to lead you might actually be able to do something useful.
The comments of the Trump administration are exactly right. It's about time that you realized it, and actually it's probably too late for a number of your countries who are soon to understand what being a vassal state actually means and under a very different and less benign "master" than the US.
2020VisionofLeeds
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The US STRATEGIC Review says so. Perhaps ‘weak’ is a contentious word, but I mean in the sense of ‘not having enough capability to clearly outmatch potential adversaries in all theatres, possibly at the same time’. That’s part of why the US has been asking and telling Europe to spend more.Being a Brit that has lived in the UK, and was in the Royal Air Force reserve, has lived in Canada, and was a similar reservist there, and in the US as a member of the Air National guard (104th Fighter Wing, Barnes ANG base, Westfield MA, "retired" in 1990 due to degraded vision
What makes you think the US is weak? Certainly, under the auspices of various progressive administrations since 2009 (I'm looking at you Obama and Biden) that was objectively true, but there seems to be sufficient evidence to suggest that a change is occurring.
I despair at what I see has happened in the UK and Canada, and the totally ridiculous pearl clutching that is occurring.
What country is stronger? The US force posture in Europe has barely changed recently, having been reduced c. 1990, and in fact has actually grown in strength since Putin's invasion of the Ukraine, and US administrations have been asking the other members for many years to not allow their militaries to waste away under the incorrect assumption that the end of history and the triumph of the West is upon us, and to keep up their end of the bargain, and a bargain it was. The US never signed up to be the sole protector of Europe while the European nanny states did less and less and grew more and more anti-freedom as the EU gradually subsumed the continent
If the Europeans feel they are being treated as vassals, maybe they shouldn't behave as if they are vassals. Why does the US have to spend 3.5-6.5% of their GDP on the military while the Europeans get to spend (mostly) sub 2% much of which is on personnel and remnant infrastructure with little modern hardware to back it up?
They have been asked, politely, many times, by numerous US administrations, and they just give the US the middle finger. About time that the US was more assertive.
Tough love is sometimes necessary. Why is it not justified? Aren't decades of nice asking, but being ignored, sufficient justification?
Look in a mirror. You sound like teenagers who have long ignored their parents' advice and are now seeing the consequences.
About time you grew up.
As for buying non-US weapons. Great. At one point you actually had an arms industry, but it has been largely allowed to wither on the vine.
Maybe if the French and Germans could stop their pissing contest over who gets to lead you might actually be able to do something useful.
The comments of the Trump administration are exactly right. It's about time that you realized it, and actually it's probably too late for a number of your countries who are soon to understand what being a vassal state actually means and under a very different and less benign "master" than the US.
But Trump does more than that, he want heel CLICKING obedience, he can’t be bothered to consult anyone, so he’ll get what that results in. Which is bad for Europe as well as the US, I agree.
What delusion," heel clicking" insults as usual, perhaps if you would have served, and not have been a Uni drop out, then maybe you would have grown up to be a more patriotic human, than the typical gimme gimme typical drop out we see today. conscription would do a power of good for todays Antifa, just stop oil , transexuals, and other deluded left agendas who have taken our once proud nation straight down the **** hole , by lefty indoctrination in our junior schools. Bet it Putin and China sponsoring these views.
A left wing politician, a TV reporter and a SAS trooper were captured by
ISIS. They were sentenced to death by beheading.
The ISIS leader said they could have one last wish each before sentence was carried out.
The politician ask to hear a rendering of keep the red flag flying.
The reporter asked that the beheading to be televised so that even when he was
dead his face would be on TV,
The trooper asked to be kicked three times up the arse.
This was carried out. As the last kick landed the trooper pulled a hidden 9mm pistol out of his smock shot three terrorists dead grabbed a fallen AK47 and killed the rest of the terrorists.
The other two were amazed, and asked why he requested to be kicked three times before drawing the gun, “Because," said the trooper, "when we get back to the UK I don't want you pair of bastards saying it was an unprovoked attack!!"
ISIS. They were sentenced to death by beheading.
The ISIS leader said they could have one last wish each before sentence was carried out.
The politician ask to hear a rendering of keep the red flag flying.
The reporter asked that the beheading to be televised so that even when he was
dead his face would be on TV,
The trooper asked to be kicked three times up the arse.
This was carried out. As the last kick landed the trooper pulled a hidden 9mm pistol out of his smock shot three terrorists dead grabbed a fallen AK47 and killed the rest of the terrorists.
The other two were amazed, and asked why he requested to be kicked three times before drawing the gun, “Because," said the trooper, "when we get back to the UK I don't want you pair of bastards saying it was an unprovoked attack!!"
2020VisionofLeeds
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You don’t have a clue. It’s why I don’t reply often to you, other than jokingly.