Rosenior does one

[TwoWrights]

He has just made more in 3 months than most on here will make in a lifetime.

With a decent agent he can make more this summer waffling ermm commentating at the World Cup, respect the cable.


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[Drew]

I was never anti Rosenior either.He was an excellent player for us and initially I was quite happy when he was given the job but as time wore on I did detect that his ego had started to come to the fore and he'd developed a stubbornness that wasn't prevalent in him as a player,that said,I was shocked when he got the bump.The fact that he'd got us into a prominent position and we then regressed was too much for the owner and hopefully we're not about to have the same conversation in 2 or 3 weeks time if we fail to get into the play-offs this season.(I think we will get into them but that's bye the bye).

I was even more shocked when Chelsea took a punt on him,it was a gamble that was doomed from the start,the fans objected from day one and it looks like the players added their weight to it.He's a fall guy for the Chelsea culture and whoever steps up next to have a crack needs to think long and hard before committing as it's become a bit of a toxic poisoned chalice.

I wish him well, though I'm not sure where he goes from here and maybe,just maybe,he needs to have a long hard look at himself and go back to being the humble character we saw as a player...

I never saw ego, I just saw confidence.

He was a young guy who spoke well about the way he wanted to play and was doing well at improving players. Slater, Greaves, Tufan, Coyle, Jaden and Delap all examples of how his coaching methods made players better. I don’t think he was that stubborn regarding tactics either. The team constantly had small tweaks to its shape but people just didn’t want to like the passing football.

Hes made some daft David Brent style comments of course but which manager hasn’t?

We constantly decry as a country that we have no young English managers coming through, never mind black managers. Here we have a promising one and he’s turned into a joke. We should admire his confidence, especially cos he was a good advocate for the City.

I agree Chelsea was a stupid job to take and he should have moved onto a Fulham level club first, but he’s also been done dirty by the press.

 

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[Chazz Rheinhold]

I never saw ego, I just saw confidence.

He was a young guy who spoke well about the way he wanted to play and was doing well at improving players. Slater, Greaves, Tufan, Coyle, Jaden and Delap all examples of how his coaching methods made players better. I don’t think he was that stubborn regarding tactics either. The team constantly had small tweaks to its shape but people just didn’t want to like the passing football.

Hes made some daft David Brent style comments of course but which manager hasn’t?

We constantly decry as a country that we have no young English managers coming through, never mind black managers. Here we have a promising one and he’s turned into a joke. We should admire his confidence, especially cos he was a good advocate for the City.

I agree Chelsea was a stupid job to take and he should have moved onto a Fulham level club first, but he’s also been done dirty by the press.

But people just didn’t want to like!!!
Poor choice of words there
There was no agenda at all
The vast majority found it boring and tedious

 

[Drew]

But people just didn’t want to like!!!
Poor choice of words there
There was no agenda at all
The vast majority found it boring and tedious

I didn't say people had an agenda, but I still think some people didn't want to like the passing football.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

I didn't say people had an agenda, but I still think some people didn't want to like the passing football.

I'm not sure that is the case. I love passing football. High tempo, forward direction, pulling teams apart. That is not the type of 'passing football' we played under Brent. Our first thought was to go backwards, something Captain Marvel is still struggling to get out of the habit of now.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

I never saw ego, I just saw confidence.

He was a young guy who spoke well about the way he wanted to play and was doing well at improving players. Slater, Greaves, Tufan, Coyle, Jaden and Delap all examples of how his coaching methods made players better. I don’t think he was that stubborn regarding tactics either. The team constantly had small tweaks to its shape but people just didn’t want to like the passing football.

Hes made some daft David Brent style comments of course but which manager hasn’t?

We constantly decry as a country that we have no young English managers coming through, never mind black managers. Here we have a promising one and he’s turned into a joke. We should admire his confidence, especially cos he was a good advocate for the City.

I agree Chelsea was a stupid job to take and he should have moved onto a Fulham level club first, but he’s also been done dirty by the press.

It wasn't just confidence (which is a good, needed attribute).
It was a misplaced arrogance founded on having achieved absolutely nothing in his fledgling career.
Everyone else was wrong, they were all just uneducated.
He was stubborn. He refused to change and that cost him his job here. "Small tweaks" to shape isn't being flexible. It's also not getting the best out of the resources you have at your disposal, whilst gradually moving toward your ideal - it's a naive stupidity.
Greaves, Philogene, Delap were all improving with or without him. The latter 2 came to us with the benefit of the previous season, and simply built on it. Slater has improved more this season than under Rosenior. Coyle? really? I don't see what he did for him. He got a tune out of Tufan, I'll give you that.
He's continued to turn himself into a joke.
And why mention "black". Unnecessary.

 

[Drew]

It wasn't just confidence (which can be a good, needed attribute).
It was a misplaced arrogance founded on having achieved absolutely nothing in his fledgling career.
Everyone else was wrong, they were all just uneducated.
He was stubborn. He refused to change and that cost him his job here. "Small tweaks" to shape isn't being flexible. It's also not getting the best out of the resources you have at your disposal, whilst gradually moving toward your ideal - it's a naive stupidity.
Greaves, Philogene, Delap were all improving with or without him. The latter 2 came to us with the benefit of the previous season, and simply built on it. Slater has improved more this season than under Rosenior. Coyle? really? I don't see what he did for him. He got a tune out of Tufan, I'll give you that.
He's continued to turn himself into a joke.
And why mention "black". Unnecessary.

How is it unnecessary? Black and minority ethnic people are underrepresented in professional football management. I was using this as an example of a young black manager being made into a joke and then us wondering why we don't have many young and/or Black English managers. I didn't say he was made into a joke because he was black.

We've seen many a young player held back by a poor manager. Walter for example ruined Slater and Coyle last season, Coyle perhaps hasn't fully recovered. Coyle had a good season under Rosenior. Slater has been better this season and that is credit to Jakirovic. There was no guarantee that Jaden, Delap and Greaves were going to have good seasons. Greaves in fact appears to have gone backwards under a 'better' manager in McKenna.

I mean, he took us from near the relegation places to 7th so yeah, I'd say he had the right to feel confidence that he was doing something well.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

I never saw ego, I just saw confidence.

He was a young guy who spoke well about the way he wanted to play and was doing well at improving players. Slater, Greaves, Tufan, Coyle, Jaden and Delap all examples of how his coaching methods made players better. I don’t think he was that stubborn regarding tactics either. The team constantly had small tweaks to its shape but people just didn’t want to like the passing football.

Hes made some daft David Brent style comments of course but which manager hasn’t?

We constantly decry as a country that we have no young English managers coming through, never mind black managers. Here we have a promising one and he’s turned into a joke. We should admire his confidence, especially cos he was a good advocate for the City.

I agree Chelsea was a stupid job to take and he should have moved onto a Fulham level club first, but he’s also been done dirty by the press.

I commented on his ego at the time and stand by it.I also muttered my disgruntlement when he was sacked because in my view the owner decided to move the goalposts and decide that 7th was deemed a failure and he didn't like the Football Rosenior was churning out.Are we preparing for the same if we fail this season?

Like I say,he was dealt a poor hand by Chelsea and I'm not sure what's best for him now but his C.V is tarnished and might put other Clubs off him further down the line.

I wish him well but it's of no major concern to me what lies ahead.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

How is it unnecessary? Black and minority ethnic people are underrepresented in professional football management. I was using this as an example of a young black manager being made into a joke and then us wondering why we don't have many young and/or Black English managers.

The point about colour and underrepresentation has absolutely nothing to with him being made into a joke (or more accurately, him making himself into a joke). Absolutely unecessary to even mention it. It's a major part of the problems we have that people keep pointing out differences when there is absolutely no need or relevance.

 

[Kempton tiger]

It wasn't just confidence (which is a good, needed attribute).
It was a misplaced arrogance founded on having achieved absolutely nothing in his fledgling career.
Everyone else was wrong, they were all just uneducated.
He was stubborn. He refused to change and that cost him his job here. "Small tweaks" to shape isn't being flexible. It's also not getting the best out of the resources you have at your disposal, whilst gradually moving toward your ideal - it's a naive stupidity.
Greaves, Philogene, Delap were all improving with or without him. The latter 2 came to us with the benefit of the previous season, and simply built on it. Slater has improved more this season than under Rosenior. Coyle? really? I don't see what he did for him. He got a tune out of Tufan, I'll give you that.
He's continued to turn himself into a joke.
And why mention "black". Unnecessary.

I was surprised at the time that we sacked him but agree that his arrogance was just too much and he was very difficult to like. Compare him to Marco Silva, another very confident manager, but one you hope succeeds, and hope that he doesn't go to Chelsea. Him and other ex managers like Bruce and Phil Brown, I hoped they would do well at other clubs. With Rosenior I just hoped he would fail, as he is out of his depth at that level but doesn't realise it. You can imagine him thinking he could be the next Man City or England manager.

 

[Drew]

The point about colour and underrepresentation has absolutely nothing to with him being made into a joke (or more accurately, him making himself into a joke). Absolutely unecessary to even mention it. It's a major part of the problems we have that people keep pointing out differences when there is absolutely no need or relevance.

My point being that young English managers (all young English managers) should be given grace to find their way in management without being written off so quickly. Black young English managers are an even rarer breed.

I note you didn't baulk at English or young.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

The point about colour and underrepresentation has absolutely nothing to with him being made into a joke (or more accurately, him making himself into a joke). Absolutely unecessary to even mention it. It's a major part of the problems we have that people keep pointing out differences when there is absolutely no need or relevance.

Spot on!!!

I couldn't give a **** what colour he is or what colour any other manager of player is,if they're good enough they'll rise like cream to the top...

 

[highpeak tiger]

My point being that young English managers (all young English managers) should be given grace to find their way in management without being written off so quickly. Black young English managers are an even rarer breed.

In an ideal world, yes. It's a results business, however, can't see things changing.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

My point being that young English managers (all young English managers) should be given grace to find their way in management without being written off so quickly. Black young English managers are an even rarer breed.

I note you didn't baulk at English or young.

Keep digging and deflecting.

 

[Drew]

Keep digging and deflecting.

I've just answered your questions. Black people are under represented in football management, as are young white English coaches. We can keep going round in circles wondering why or we can point it out when it happens.

For the record, no Rosenior wasn't a joke because he was black. No, Rosenior wasn't sacked because he was black. No, Rosenior shouldn't have been hired into that job because he was black. But in the modern world of a gutter press, people get shorter times to prove themselves. That's an issue.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

I've just answered your questions. Black people are under represented in football management, as are young white English coaches. We can keep going round in circles wondering why or we can point it out when it happens.

For the record, no Rosenior wasn't a joke because he was black. No, Rosenior wasn't sacked because he was black. No, Rosenior shouldn't have been hired into that job because he was black. But in the modern world of a gutter press, people get shorter times to prove themselves. That's an issue.

Haven't heard much praise on here or from you yourself for young white English coach Frank Lampard(commonly called out for being fat apparently)...

 

[Drew]

Haven't heard much praise on here or from you yourself for young white English coach Frank Lampard(commonly called out for being fat apparently)...

I wasn’t aware that Frank Lampard has links to Hull City?

He’s done a great job at Coventry and I always thought he was given a hard go of it at Chelsea.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

I've just answered your questions. Black people are under represented in football management, as are young white English coaches. We can keep going round in circles wondering why or we can point it out when it happens.

For the record, no Rosenior wasn't a joke because he was black. No, Rosenior wasn't sacked because he was black. No, Rosenior shouldn't have been hired into that job because he was black. But in the modern world of a gutter press, people get shorter times to prove themselves. That's an issue.

It is true that black and ethnic minority coaches are underrepresented as managers if you compare the number of black and ethnic minority players in first team squads and academies nowadays (estimated at 30 to 40% of all players being black, mixed race or ethnic background) you are correct.

And if you take the figure of 4% current black or ethnic minority managers in English football compared to around 18% of the UK population there is no argument that these people are underrepresented.

What annoys me though (not saying you're doing it) is how it is wheeled out as if its the fault of the game as a whole. It isn't.

The FA are trying to encourage more minorities and women coaches to get involved. When I did my UEFA C licence im certain that a percentage of the available places where held for those groups to be guaranteed a place. They also pay 20% of the costs for underrepresented groups for them to encourage more take up.

For whatever reason there are far less black players, and volunteers, wanting to take the higher level coaching badges which means they are not represented.

Im doing my B licence soon. Ive been offered a job with an academy and theyre paying for it. If someone wants to work in football, they can. Even as a chubby bald old white bloke!! Opportunities are there. For whatever reason minorities dont want to chase them it seems.

Is it the fault of Sol Campbell and his constant negativity? Maybe. Ashley Cole is now making similar noises. From what I was told he is a capable coach and has a job, so why is he bleating on about this subject? Surely if he cared that much he would be offering to help the FA and the game he made his living from by offering to help recruit and educate minority group ex players?

 

[Gone For A Walk]

I've just answered your questions. Black people are under represented in football management, as are young white English coaches. We can keep going round in circles wondering why or we can point it out when it happens.

For the record, no Rosenior wasn't a joke because he was black. No, Rosenior wasn't sacked because he was black. No, Rosenior shouldn't have been hired into that job because he was black. But in the modern world of a gutter press, people get shorter times to prove themselves. That's an issue.

-> "We constantly decry as a country that we have no young English managers coming through, never mind black managers. Here we have a
promising one and he’s turned into a joke"

It was, and should be, totally irrelevant, yet you chose to point it out.
I've made my point. Maybe best to hold your hand up and just move on.