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Heimdallr said:
Strange that you don't ask what the families of those guilty of sexual abuse of trafficked women have to say about the behaviour of their sons/fathers/brothers/husbands.

Have the parents of those that committed crimes not done a very good job? Was the queen a **** mother? Or is it just of the victim that have to hold some sort of blame?


I don't doubt you don't understand what you've asked, but it's typical of victim blaming and engrained in a lot of older members of society.
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Give it a rest you’ve used the age point at least 3 times in the last two weeks or so . It’s got f*** all to do with old age it’s a comment about responsibility for your self or for your ‘responsible ‘ person. The world is absolutely full of organisations proving support for almost every social issue that until 10 or 15 years ago you took respnsibility yourself for . Some are good others are a crutch or an opportunity to avoid being in charge of your own self . I blame some victims of some social issues on them and others I don’t . Like toddlers not being potty trained and unable to use a knife and fork when starting school . It’s absolutely down to the parents and no one else . You can’t train your child if you can’t get off your phone or settee , some treat young ones as jewellery like pretty little dogs - then they get bored of them .
As to the Epstein victims it’s amazing how much continuous press and sympathy has been on tv about this. - the rape gang victims struggled to get any of this exposure for 15 years . As Sophie Rayworth said last night after London gangs had been identified ‘ there were a number of cases in Rotherham’ recently !!!
Effin ell ! ‘A number - ffs.
I just hope you have been as vocal about them as you are being about Epstein lot .
You’re better than this age focused criticism .
 
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What really but really should have happened today, is not for plain clothes detectives racking up and saying 'Sir, Sir and Sir', in unmarked vehicles, but a parade of panda cars and a young PC booking him in with his body warn on.
 
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Cityzen said:
I don’t understand what I’ve asked? Bollox. And it wasn’t victim blaming.

I think the Queen was an over indulgent mother with her supposed favourite. Some of those trafficked women were in their 20s and paid a fair amount of money. The weren’t put on planes at gunpoint. The under age ones are of course a completely different thing.
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Were they paid a fair amount of money? How much would be a fair amount for you to get ****ed in the arse by Bill Gates, Zen?

I think you're looking for excuses where there are none. I have no doubt that if one of your drinking buddies turned up at Ebeneezer's with a 17 year old, that he claimed to have know since she was 13, and then offered her to you, you'd call the relevant authorities and end the friendship - because you're a good person.

You wouldn't **** the girl and continue to visit the home of your convicted peado friend. What has turned these ppl into whom they are?
 
Ric Glasgow said:
As a parent of 3 daughters myself,I don't think the question he's asked is entirely unreasonable? You've presumably got children/daughters yourself from memory.

Would you have been comfortable or are you comfortable with one of them disappearing on a regular basis,I most certainly would not have been.

Let's not go down this 'older members of society' nonsense when someone puts something up for debate and you're not in agreement...
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Two daughters and a son.

No I wouldn't have been comfortable, but it is irrelevant to the case. I don't know the situation in too much detail - most likely vulnerable and low income background (?)

Either way, you would have hoped that a prince of a realm, who had grown up with huge privilege, could have had some control or morality to have said perhaps this isn't the right situation and actually offered the significantly younger girl some help. He also could have been honest about it when caught and supported her in some way.

Why didn't he have this morality? **** parenting?
 
Heimdallr said:
Were they paid a fair amount of money? How much would be a fair amount for you to get ****ed in the arse by Bill Gates, Zen?

I think you're looking for excuses where there are none. I have no doubt that if one of your drinking buddies turned up at Ebeneezer's with a 17 year old, that he claimed to have know since she was 13, and then offered her to you, you'd call the relevant authorities and end the friendship - because you're a good person.

You wouldn't **** the girl and continue to visit the home of your convicted peado friend. What has turned these ppl into whom they are?
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Nobody was forcing the older ones. Basically a lot of them were on the game.They knew what they were doing. As for the younger ones, what did their parents think was going on? What would you have thought if your 16 year old daughter was flying off on private jets for days at a time with rich, older men? Surely you would have had questions?
Having said all that I hope the older men who exploited the younger girls get hammered. But I fear some will get away with it as a lot of it will be difficult to prove.
 
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Heimdallr said:
Two daughters and a son.

No I wouldn't have been comfortable, but it is irrelevant to the case. I don't know the situation in too much detail - most likely vulnerable and low income background (?)

Either way, you would have hoped that a prince of a realm, who had grown up with huge privilege, could have had some control or morality to have said perhaps this isn't the right situation and actually offered the significantly younger girl some help. He also could have been honest about it when caught and supported her in some way.

Why didn't he have this morality? **** parenting?
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Being over indulged and pampered by his mother, and others, will have played a part. Maybe Lizzie was over compensating for being absent during a lot of Charles and Anne’s formative years.
 
Heimdallr said:
Two daughters and a son.

No I wouldn't have been comfortable, but it is irrelevant to the case. I don't know the situation in too much detail - most likely vulnerable and low income background (?)

Either way, you would have hoped that a prince of a realm, who had grown up with huge privilege, could have had some control or morality to have said perhaps this isn't the right situation and actually offered the significantly younger girl some help. He also could have been honest about it when caught and supported her in some way.

Why didn't he have this morality? **** parenting?
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if you don't know the situation in too much detail I'm not sure that anything can be deemed irrelevant by you or I? Low income background would describe my kids situation 20+ years ago,though my children weren't vulnerable and never will be as long as I'm breathing.

As for this Prince of a realm who had grown up with 'huge privilege',yes that's undeniable,he's been a spoilt brat since day 1 (in my opinion) and it's also my opinion that he's possibly some sort of sexual deviant and it's more than likely be doesn't have a moral bone in his body,like the rest who seem to be tied up in this Epstein business.I've never liked him out of the 4 of them and I'm of a similar age to him...**** Parenting doesn't seem to have blighted the other 3 so it's highly unlikely.

As has already been mentioned,he seemed to be the Queens favourite,which has disappointed me as I had a great deal of faith in her prior to all this nonsense with Epstein and to this day I have no idea why she provided funding for him to pay the girl off...She should've told the Bastard to sort his own problems out!!
 
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Heimdallr said:
Were they paid a fair amount of money? How much would be a fair amount for you to get ****ed in the arse by Bill Gates, Zen?

I think you're looking for excuses where there are none. I have no doubt that if one of your drinking buddies turned up at Ebeneezer's with a 17 year old, that he claimed to have know since she was 13, and then offered her to you, you'd call the relevant authorities and end the friendship - because you're a good person.

You wouldn't **** the girl and continue to visit the home of your convicted peado friend. What has turned these ppl into whom they are?
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Heimdallr said:
Two daughters and a son.

No I wouldn't have been comfortable, but it is irrelevant to the case. I don't know the situation in too much detail - most likely vulnerable and low income background (?)

Either way, you would have hoped that a prince of a realm, who had grown up with huge privilege, could have had some control or morality to have said perhaps this isn't the right situation and actually offered the significantly younger girl some help. He also could have been honest about it when caught and supported her in some way.

Why didn't he have this morality? **** parenting?
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Your first post first para suggests you know details of some of what went on.

Second post you say you don't know the situation in detail.
 
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