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How can VAR give this as onside????

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This is why I agree with Wenger on the new ruling. We had a period in the early 2000's where their had to be 'air' between the attacker and defender and it was soo much clearer/easier to judge.
 
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City are weird because going forward they are soo dangerous but they concede 5-6 big chances every game at the back.
 
This is why I agree with Wenger on the new ruling. We had a period in the early 2000's where their had to be 'air' between the attacker and defender and it was soo much clearer/easier to judge.

I think it's just over use of VAR and general inconsistency. That inconsistency might be deliberate and bias/corruption driven or it could be incompetence driven. Doesn't matter, because either way it's not working.
There is no way VAR should be overturning that decision on the field of offside.
It took them ages for what is supposed to be automated and then they throw up graphics that have a terrible angle and don't represent the real life view exactly.
Unless systems are 100% accurate with video replay it should be scrapped.
I also can't stand when VAR get into interpretations of what is in a players mind. It's a joke.
VAR should only be for very black and white decisions - any ambiguity at all, even slight, would defer to the onfield decisions.
I would also put a 30 second time limit on it. No decision with clear evidence in 30 seconds then the on field decision stands.

Some dude who never even played football sitting in an office looking at a slow mo video deciding what a player was thinking when he tried to make a tackle or went to ground etc. It's insanity.
 
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This is why I agree with Wenger on the new ruling. We had a period in the early 2000's where their had to be 'air' between the attacker and defender and it was soo much clearer/easier to judge.
I don't see how Wenger's offside plan makes anything any clearer or faster. Lines will still need to be drawn and some of them will look wrong. The line will now just drawn at a different place than it is now. There will be just the same number of errors and arguments.
 
I don't see how Wenger's offside plan makes anything any clearer or faster. Lines will still need to be drawn and some of them will look wrong. The line will now just drawn at a different place than it is now. There will be just the same number of errors and arguments.
It makes much more sense than part of a player being past another part of a player, when you have two players leaning at different angles it becomes extremely hard to call.

Having space between the two players is more likely to be correct.
 
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I think it's just over use of VAR and general inconsistency. That inconsistency might be deliberate and bias/corruption driven or it could be incompetence driven. Doesn't matter, because either way it's not working.
There is no way VAR should be overturning that decision on the field of offside.
It took them ages for what is supposed to be automated and then they throw up graphics that have a terrible angle and don't represent the real life view exactly.
Unless systems are 100% accurate with video replay it should be scrapped.
I also can't stand when VAR get into interpretations of what is in a players mind. It's a joke.
VAR should only be for very black and white decisions - any ambiguity at all, even slight, would defer to the onfield decisions.
I would also put a 30 second time limit on it. No decision with clear evidence in 30 seconds then the on field decision stands.

Some dude who never even played football sitting in an office looking at a slow mo video deciding what a player was thinking when he tried to make a tackle or went to ground etc. It's insanity.
There's definitely some corruption as well as unconscious bias.
 
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There's definitely some corruption as well as unconscious bias.

I agree.
I witnessed the PGMOL in the Wenger/Ferguson years.
There is no doubt in my mind there was a coordinated effort to help Utd.
I think that has continued post Wenger.
For those that doubt the animus towards Wenger (and thus Arsenal), we can never forget that the PGMOL lied blatantly when they accused Wenger of assault on one of their officials (away from the pitch outside of TV cameras) and were caught when new evidence was revealed. That in itself shows their attitude and underhand (disgraceful) approach to Arsenal.
Of course, no one will ever forget game 50. That game alone proved deliberate bias beyond any reasonable doubt.
 
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It makes much more sense than part of a player being past another part of a player, when you have two players leaning at different angles it becomes extremely hard to call.

Having space between the two players is more likely to be correct.

I think Wenger also once said to judge exclusively on the feet.
Does make it easier as there is less vertical space to account for, but even then the foot can be off the ground.
Whatever, it needs to change. There is still guess work. The technology - despite the claims - can still not perfectly measure in the vertical space. There are simply not enough sensors.
 
So, looks like City have all but officially completed the signing of Semenyo for £65m.

Then, as soon as that gets reported, quotes from Oliver Glasner come out basically saying that Palace may need to sell Guehi to City (namedrops City specifically) if Guehi pushes for the move.

Two very good signings for City if they get both done. Was hoping Guehi would wait until the Summer to decide, as he'd get a higher signing on fee and more choice of clubs. But appears as if he wants to go to the blue side of Manchester...
 
So, looks like City have all but officially completed the signing of Semenyo for £65m.

Then, as soon as that gets reported, quotes from Oliver Glasner come out basically saying that Palace may need to sell Guehi to City (namedrops City specifically) if Guehi pushes for the move.

Two very good signings for City if they get both done. Was hoping Guehi would wait until the Summer to decide, as he'd get a higher signing on fee and more choice of clubs. But appears as if he wants to go to the blue side of Manchester...

Outside an early season purple patch this year, Semenyo has been decent but not great in his 3 yrs in the PL.
He is not champions level quality.
As for Guehi he is very good, but City need 2 CBs really
 
How can VAR give this as onside????

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Because they are some bloodclart teef !! Imagine its only now anyone ever heard there is an "offside tolerance" with VAR !! Never heard a peep about this before, now all of a sudden its a thing.
 
So, looks like City have all but officially completed the signing of Semenyo for £65m.

Then, as soon as that gets reported, quotes from Oliver Glasner come out basically saying that Palace may need to sell Guehi to City (namedrops City specifically) if Guehi pushes for the move.

Two very good signings for City if they get both done. Was hoping Guehi would wait until the Summer to decide, as he'd get a higher signing on fee and more choice of clubs. But appears as if he wants to go to the blue side of Manchester...
I don't rate Guehi at all, they can have him. I do like Semenyo though, that will be jarring if they get him.
 
Because they are some bloodclart teef !! Imagine its only now anyone ever heard there is an "offside tolerance" with VAR !! Never heard a peep about this before, now all of a sudden its a thing.

I am still of the view that VAR was set up not to make the game fairer, but to make it easier to manipulate. When VAR is assessing what is in players minds and adjudicating tolerance levels for offside, whilst at the same time apparently not being able to tell if the ball is out of play when it suits them, then VAR is no longer a viable tool.
 
Man City gifted a penalty vs Brighton. Never a penalty for me - Doku clearly dives, contact is minimal.

Brighton been the better side as well
 
Man City gifted a penalty vs Brighton. Never a penalty for me - Doku clearly dives, contact is minimal.

Brighton been the better side as well

Didn't think it was a dive at all. Gomez sticks his leg out carelessly and his knee makes contact with Doku. It was a penalty. He didn't even try to protest against it. Gomez is an idiot.

I agree Brighton looked good first half though. However, they've been utterly dreadful in this second half and looks like City will score a 2nd any moment.
 
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Brighton should be ahead here. That was a HUGE miss. Mitoma did so well to put a dangerous ball in and I couldn't see who missed, but they were 2 yards out and totally mishit it. Then Mitoma hits the outside of the post when the ball rebounds back.
 
Didn't think it was a dive at all. Gomez sticks his leg out carelessly and his knee makes contact with Doku. It was a penalty. He didn't even try to protest against it. Gomez is an idiot.

I agree Brighton looked good first half though. However, they've been utterly dreadful in this second half and looks like City will score a 2nd any moment.
Coome on not a dive?! You think that tiny amount of contact causes Doku to fall down like that?.. The defender is pulling his knee away.

Let's stop normalising the idea that any contact in the box should be a penalty.