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A reminder to all.... as supporters... we need to do just that through tough times.... criticise yes.... but our primary function is to SUPPORT.
Match Day Thread Newcastle United v Fulham - League Cup (The one we just won) Quarter Final
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A reminder to all.... as supporters... we need to do just that through tough times.... criticise yes.... but our primary function is to SUPPORT.
Im going on Wednesday after finally getting tickets in the lovely raffle that is the membership scheme. I will support as usual, I always do when I go to games. Just leave the criticism etc for in here so you lovely people are my anger board!
Got 5 after Fulham returned some and so up in L7 Leazes end next to the away fans.. Whole family is going, will have to keep an eye on my hair trigger 17 year old son........ he was not a happy bunny yesterday. Swear jar overflowed.
I think it will be 433 ...... just a hunch and I predict subs in the 60-70 min.........
He needs to, we need to play him into form. We arent Chelsea that can just forget about a £100m player. He's either going to come good or he isn't. Subs and the odd start arent going to cut it. Play him for the next 6 and if still **** then that's on Howe as he wanted him.
Disagree here, mate. It's like when Burn starts at left back, you can see the nervousness across the back line and you know the LCM has got a hell of a shift to put in. When Elanga starts, Livramento's head drops as he knows he's on his own out there on the right.
For me we need a complete shift. Something like a 3-5-2 for me, it's innovative, it plays well to the squad and we have two per position. Howe won't do it because he's spunked £140m on wingers to fit his stagnant 4-3-3, and also we now don't have the defensive numbers to even do it.
Can we all back track a bit when it comes to transfers.
1. No one knows who has the final say on who we buy. Quite a few on here are more than happy to blame EH for all transfers usually distorting how those transfers are playing. Im not denying EH will have a big say but what is conveniently overlooked by many is we have had a SD in place for the last few years who is supposed to be the one defining our style and have the final say on all transfers.
2. Let's not re-write history. Everyone was happy when we bought Big Nick. Thiaw is an excellent purchase. Ramsdale is, whilst not a great buy, is a good buy. People were happy with Ramsay but said he was a tad expensive. Most were happy with Wissa although again slightly expensive. Elanga was thought okay by most if not expensive.
3. Of the transfers only Elanga has been a disappointment. Others vary from excellent to decent. With Elanga its early days and things may improve. Far too early to write him off.
4. We did go for some next level players but they didn't want to join us as they were more intent on going to clubs already 'there' eg Pedro and Ekitike.
5. Our summer window was screwed by Isak and Liverpool. The season was well under way by the time we were able to get sorted. That has an ongoing effect.
6. If Wissa hadn't been injured I would guess our tactics will have developed and changed sooner. I anticipate this will now occur over the next month or so once Wissa is fully fit.
7. EH is an amazing coach. He does it on the ground and not on a football manager game. Tactics aren't able to be implemented immediately by the flick of a switch as hes dealing with players and their respective egos, abilities etc. With the CL, injuries (mainly Wissa, Hall and Tino), the number of games there will have been little time to work on nuances etc.
There has been a constant stream of criticism to EH (some of it merited) but from some way over the top. Too many times though the players seem to get a 'pass' and its not their fault when they should also be held accountable.
Also there has been an inability by quite a few on here to acknowledge that we are dealing with human beings. Human beings make mistakes, they have off days, personal issues can affect negatively.
All we wanted was a team that tried. I still do. On one level I couldn't care less if we never ever won another thing...so long as the team tried. That's not a 'loser' mentality, its just what everyone would expect for themselves.
Rant over.....for now.
1. No one knows who has the final say on who we buy. Quite a few on here are more than happy to blame EH for all transfers usually distorting how those transfers are playing. Im not denying EH will have a big say but what is conveniently overlooked by many is we have had a SD in place for the last few years who is supposed to be the one defining our style and have the final say on all transfers.
2. Let's not re-write history. Everyone was happy when we bought Big Nick. Thiaw is an excellent purchase. Ramsdale is, whilst not a great buy, is a good buy. People were happy with Ramsay but said he was a tad expensive. Most were happy with Wissa although again slightly expensive. Elanga was thought okay by most if not expensive.
3. Of the transfers only Elanga has been a disappointment. Others vary from excellent to decent. With Elanga its early days and things may improve. Far too early to write him off.
4. We did go for some next level players but they didn't want to join us as they were more intent on going to clubs already 'there' eg Pedro and Ekitike.
5. Our summer window was screwed by Isak and Liverpool. The season was well under way by the time we were able to get sorted. That has an ongoing effect.
6. If Wissa hadn't been injured I would guess our tactics will have developed and changed sooner. I anticipate this will now occur over the next month or so once Wissa is fully fit.
7. EH is an amazing coach. He does it on the ground and not on a football manager game. Tactics aren't able to be implemented immediately by the flick of a switch as hes dealing with players and their respective egos, abilities etc. With the CL, injuries (mainly Wissa, Hall and Tino), the number of games there will have been little time to work on nuances etc.
There has been a constant stream of criticism to EH (some of it merited) but from some way over the top. Too many times though the players seem to get a 'pass' and its not their fault when they should also be held accountable.
Also there has been an inability by quite a few on here to acknowledge that we are dealing with human beings. Human beings make mistakes, they have off days, personal issues can affect negatively.
All we wanted was a team that tried. I still do. On one level I couldn't care less if we never ever won another thing...so long as the team tried. That's not a 'loser' mentality, its just what everyone would expect for themselves.
Rant over.....for now.
If the team that tries puts in performance like yesterday and west ham etc then I dont want that. Have a go, attack the teams you play. We didnt even attack yesterday, we sat back ( when does that ever work).
As for transfers - enough has been said. Wilson needs to change it, screw PL proven and the premium price they come with. We have pissed around for 2-3 years on goalkeeper and the one Sunderland got for £15m looks a darn sight better than what we have. Also isn't Vlad our greek goalkeeper meant to be having storming season? He never got a chance with us except one game and he looked good but was dropped.
The owners carry the can, purely down to the ludicrous amount of time it took to replace Eales. That should've been done for everyone's sake within months, which would have allowed a review, a change, and critically a competent SD well in time for the Summer debacle. That knock on effect meant the Isak saga was handled very poorly. We should have immediately set the price, got the money, moved on. If Liverpool had got Isak early, Ekitike would have been ours.
Nobody can deny our 'first choice' players in the transfer market are all very good. Olise, Huijsen, Pedro, Ekitike, Mbuemo. However, my issue with it is that nobody needs to be a scout to see that. Hopefully Wilson knows his stuff, otherwise we're in for another few months chasing Semenyo, Igor Jesus, etc.
Where we've had such success previously with the likes of Bruno and Burn, latterly with Thiaw, should be our constant strategy. We are nowhere near a club who can just go get a top quality player at the top of their game. If we'd stuck with that instead of trying to overpay for "ready made" PL players, or trying to compete with zero chance against established elite, we'd potentially have a much better squad. Then again, Howe's influence and apparent tactical limitations may not have allowed that to happen as we have bulked out with players who all seemingly fit into our one dimensional 4-3-3, with very little variation.
I also agree with Awaymag - some trot out the mantra of wanting a team that tries. At least half a dozen times this season alone I haven't seen one. So whilst it's far too early to genuinely call for Howe's head (though social media - eurgh - is awash with people doing so), things have GOT to improve, because if this is the level of effort and performance Howe can get from these players, then it's not a team that is doing even the basics.
Aww piss off captain sensible.. that’s far too structured and reasoned.
I agree with so.e of what you say. The Club did seem to mess up the SD position. There may be genuine reasons why it all took so long but then again there may not. We'll never know. Regardless, it did affect everything.
Liverpool, IMO, never intended to buy Isak early except at some ridiculously low figure. We couldn't sell our first 'big sell' under PIF at a ridiculously low price. Even the price we got a lot of fans think it was too low. We were never in charge of the sale due to Isak's deplorable behaviour. Liverpool knew that and not too surprisingly took advantage of the situation by delaying. Im not criticising them for that as we would have done exactly the same.
Also disagree on the tactics. With Nick and Wissa (when fit) i believe our tactics will evolve and the purchase of the two, at least to me, always suggested that that would happen. I would guess we will be looking at 4.4.1.1 or 3.5.2 or 3.5.1.1
I can't speak for every player obviously but I believe that team tries. For all of the furore from yesterday it's worth remembering that Sunderland at home had one shot on target during the entire game and that was saved. We were reasonable in defence. And just because some players didn't perform does not mean they didn't try. I have seen a lot of football in my time and I have seen teams that didn't try or gave up and yesterday's performance whilst poor going forward was not one of a team that wasn't trying.
You are right though, if things don't improve eventually EH will go. In one sense its simply a matter of time. In football, it always is.
That isn't going to be this season but things will always be under review. More importantly though it's never a question of who goes but who replaced him. I again don't think there currently is available anyone who is an upgrade on EH.
I don’t come here to read calm, rational logical woke bollocks…. I want managers sacked if they don’t win a game. We’re not ****ing Celtic. (< pictures Bonnie Blue and feels a bit unwell >)
Agree with you T… 100%