Off Topic What grinds your gears

[Heimdallr]

The push to EVs plays directly into Chinas hands. They are flooding UK (and the West) with subsidised cut price loss making EVs with the sole intent of destroying European competition. They have a long term plan. And it's obvious what will then happen. But we are so ****ing stupid, we just help them. The fact is not even hidden. We are once again playing right into their hands. It's been going on a short while already and is now gathering rapid pace - just watch how it goes over the next couple of years.

The EU region has higher tariffs on Chinese cars - the UK has a standard 10% tariff. This is part of the Brexit dividend to UK voters.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

The EU region has higher tariffs on Chinese cars - the UK has a standard 10% tariff. This is part of the Brexit dividend to UK voters.

No, please don't start the 'blame brexit' debate. Blame failure of consecutive governments by all means though (except politics aren't allowed).

 

[bradymk2]

No, please don't start the 'blame brexit' debate. Blame failure of consecutive governments by all means though (except politics aren't allowed).

We should only be buying expensive bmws

 

[Heimdallr]

No, please don't start the 'blame brexit' debate. Blame failure of consecutive governments by all means though (except politics aren't allowed).

It's not politics or a debate, it's a fact. Brexit has allowed the UK to set it's own tariffs on Chinese vehicle imports, so they're relatively cheap. They wouldn't be as cheap if the tariffs were the same as the EU.

 

[dennisboothstash]

No, please don't start the 'blame brexit' debate. Blame failure of consecutive governments by all means though (except politics aren't allowed).

There’s no debate needed.

 

[balkan tiger]

The EU region has higher tariffs on Chinese cars - the UK has a standard 10% tariff. This is part of the Brexit dividend to UK voters.

No, please don't start the 'blame brexit' debate. Blame failure of consecutive governments by all means though (except politics aren't allowed).

It's a failure of politicians to make the most of Brexit, we could put whatever tariffs we want within reason certainly matching neighboring countries.
Unfortunately the politicians miss read the room and didn't think for a minute that the public would vote to leave.
Those same politicians are not making the most of the opportunities available because they didn't want us to leave the eu.

 

[spesupersydera]

It's a failure of politicians to make the most of Brexit, we could put whatever tariffs we want within reason certainly matching neighboring countries.
Unfortunately the politicians miss read the room and didn't think for a minute that the public would vote to leave.
Those same politicians are not making the most of the opportunities available because they didn't want us to leave the eu.

 

[BlackAndAmberGambler]

Here's a true story...I ran an old fashioned hardware/DIY shop for 30 years. Sourced all my stock myself and built up contacts over a number of years. I was a one man band, just me, with help a couple of afternoons from an old guy. Over the years I made contact with a couple of local paint suppliers in Hull, I'd buy all their dinted tins, wrongly labeled and end of line coloured paints etc, anything they wanted cleared out of their warehouses. I'm not talking huge quantities, some weeks they had none to sell me, some weeks they had loads. I bought it cheap and sold it cheap. Went on for years, nice arrangement all round until one day both suppliers embarrassingly turned me away. Seems B@Q had contacted them both and threatened to stop placing paint orders through them if they continued supplying me.
Just before that I received a call from a buyer for B@Q asking where I was getting my wooden handled metal coal shovels from. Mine were under £3, theirs were nearly a tenner. I was buying them direct from a small firm in Sheffield who I'd dealt with from day one in business, 30 years, they made them themselves and I went personally and collected them. I refused to divulge my source. and even offered to supply B@Q with them, which went down like a lead balloon. That's what small businesses are up against.
Its not so very long ago when there was a hardware shop on virtually every high street in the city. Bet you could count them on the fingers of one hand today, and above it one of the reasons.
@sidenote. Read last night that an unemployed family with six kids receive and extra £14k a year after yesterdays budget because of the ending of the two child cap.

It ****ing stinks. A sole trader cannot source his own stock without some multi million business taking over his customer base. This country doesn’t give a **** about you and I. Reward idle ****s pumping out kids and ****ers who offer nothing to society. Britain is ****ed.

 

[Heimdallr]

It's a failure of politicians to make the most of Brexit, we could put whatever tariffs we want within reason certainly matching neighboring countries.
Unfortunately the politicians miss read the room and didn't think for a minute that the public would vote to leave.
Those same politicians are not making the most of the opportunities available because they didn't want us to leave the eu.

One country alone (aside from the US) can't hope to compete/negotiate successfully and win a battle without ceding huge concessions against China anymore. Within an economic bloc, there is far more protection. This was an argument put forward by remain and drowned out by the opposition.

The result is cheaper Chinese cars entering the UK market (a positive or negative thing depending on pov) and tariffs being put on steel exported from the UK to the EU.. but EU immigration into the UK is down, so everyone is happy.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

...
Unfortunately the politicians miss read the room and didn't think for a minute that the public would vote to leave.
Those same politicians are not making the most of the opportunities available because they didn't want us to leave the eu.

Exactly. It really is as straightforward as that.

 

[originallambrettaman]

The push to EVs plays directly into Chinas hands. They are flooding UK (and the West) with subsidised cut price loss making EVs with the sole intent of destroying European competition. They have a long term plan. And it's obvious what will then happen. But we are so ****ing stupid, we just help them. The fact is not even hidden. We are once again playing right into their hands. It's been going on a short while already and is now gathering rapid pace - just watch how it goes over the next couple of years.

BYD made a US$5.6b profit last year, so they weren't selling too many cars at a loss. Things have got more difficult and competition more fierce, but they still made a US$1.1b profit in the last quarter.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

BYD made a US$5.6b profit last year, so they weren't selling too many cars at a loss. Things have got more difficult and competition more fierce, but they still made a US$1.1b profit in the last quarter.

Ah yes, BYD, the biggest car company in China. Not a surprise they made an overall profit!!
I've now heard from 2 dealers now selling BYD among other makes. They tell me how the deals are absolutely ridiculous. Was listening to an auto expert the other day explaining their (long term) strategy; as I said.
I walked past a dealer's forecourt the other day who is introducing Chery cars (already have other Chinese brands). The forecourt was literally full of Chery Tigo 7's. That's not normal. I didn't ask but I can only imagine the incentives to firstly stock that many, ,and secondly the discounts to sell them.

 

[originallambrettaman]

It turns out EV drivers will have to go to an MOT centre once a year to get their mileage checked, even on new vehicles.

 

[Charon]

where do people think the money's coming from once fuel duty dries up - the same with tobacco duty - its never been about the environment. it's always been about raking it in

 

[rovertiger]

While we're talking about cars.

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[balkan tiger]

It turns out EV drivers will have to go to an MOT centre once a year to get their mileage checked, even on new vehicles.

where do people think the money's coming from once fuel duty dries up - the same with tobacco duty - its never been about the environment. it's always been about raking it in

Did I ever mention getting rid of all the silly secret stealthy taxes and just put up income tax or vat?

 

[Heimdallr]

where do people think the money's coming from once fuel duty dries up - the same with tobacco duty - its never been about the environment. it's always been about raking it in

From the middle earners - the income tax payers, the savers, the drivers and the legitimate.

Highest levels ever since WW2 of 18-34 year olds leaving the UK - I see and hear it where I am - used to be a small Brit community when I arrived in the 90s, where you more or less knew of everyone, now there's thousands.. from educated engineers to tree surgeons, across the spectrum. Expect it is replicated across Europe/Australia

Ah yes, BYD, the biggest car company in China. Not a surprise they made an overall profit!!
I've now heard from 2 dealers now selling BYD among other makes. They tell me how the deals are absolutely ridiculous. Was listening to an auto expert the other day explaining their (long term) strategy; as I said.
I walked past a dealer's forecourt the other day who is introducing Chery cars (already have other Chinese brands). The forecourt was literally full of Chery Tigo 7's. That's not normal. I didn't ask but I can only imagine the incentives to firstly stock that many, ,and secondly the discounts to sell them.

No different from Ford EVs then..

 

[Newland Tiger]

The real problem is massive multinational companies who make vast profits
in this country and pay really small amounts of tax .

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

It turns out EV drivers will have to go to an MOT centre once a year to get their mileage checked, even on new vehicles.

For which MOT centres will rightfully charge either the punter or the Government - they can't be expected to do it for nowt even if it is just reading the dashboard. There'll be administration costs and labour costs, and it will take time which technicians could otherwise be actually doing real MOTs or fixing cars.

So how much of the revenue raised immediately disappears to pay for the collection of the data needed in order to raise the revenue?

Barking.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Ah yes, BYD, the biggest car company in China. Not a surprise they made an overall profit!!
I've now heard from 2 dealers now selling BYD among other makes. They tell me how the deals are absolutely ridiculous. Was listening to an auto expert the other day explaining their (long term) strategy; as I said.
I walked past a dealer's forecourt the other day who is introducing Chery cars (already have other Chinese brands). The forecourt was literally full of Chery Tigo 7's. That's not normal. I didn't ask but I can only imagine the incentives to firstly stock that many, ,and secondly the discounts to sell them.

Edit: just walked by said dealership just now. Counted 37 brand new Chery Tigos, and that's just what I can see. It's not even a big site
That tells it's own story.