Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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You don’t need to cut services, just make them move efficient, as I said on the starmer thread about the changing light bulbs get rid of the many pen pushers that job aren't required just jobs for the boys. You just need the people DOING the actual front line job.

there are a lot of consultants choking the money from reaching and supporting the front line. It needs to change pronto so that can improve. I also agree on the means testing- lots more folk can pay for their services and should, including me - I do anyway. But also, tax the super wealthy a bit more.
 
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Who pushed the idea of university education as being right for at least 50% of young people when there was no infrastructure or job market for it. I will give you a clue, it wasnt the conservatives, lib dems or greens. Easy games these.
I have no issue with giving kids aspirations.

Party’s putting up tuition fees when they said they wouldn’t stopped a lot of working class kids going to university. Il give you a clue it wasn’t the Labour party
 
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I have no issue with giving kids aspirations.

Party’s putting up tuition fees when they said they wouldn’t stopped a lot of working class kids going to university. Il give you a clue it wasn’t the Labour party
how does it stop people from going to university? you dont pay it back unless you are well enough off to do so…
 
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how does it stop people from going to university? you dont pay it back unless you are well enough off to do so…
Minimum wage is £11 odd an hour now and you start paying it back at £524 a week. So fiscal drag has brought it up to £80 over nmw or £2 per hour . I would suggest that the majority of people will pay it back. I was working in a school teachers house and she was earning enough to pay 40% tax and also still paying student loans back. Double whammy. She convinced her son to become an apprentice electrician to earn while he learned and also avoid student loans.
 
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The funds floating around the bond market dwarf any one countries GDP. Countries/governments need to borrow from the bond market to fund both their outgoing expenses and capital investments. If over a period of time, taxes in < govt spending ( as Mr Micawber might have it misery).

If a government is perceived is, using a technical term, 'fcuking up the economy' the thousands of separate fund managers are not keen to 'buy' bonds unless the government interest rates become prohibitive. One measure often used as a yardstick is govt borrowing > GDP.
Liz Truss wanted to cut taxes, good to help growth, but didn't cut spending. So it was hardly surprising, that is was, effectively the bond markets, that did for her. The phrase you 'cannot buck the markets' is usually a fact.

The huts keep coming, the stupidly of 'austerity' when borrowing was cheap, the tories should have invested in infrastructure to promote growth, ie the opposite to what they did. Brexit is a growth hit, as with the pandemic ( huge borrowing)
The Russian invasion of Ukraine, Liz Truss made investors nervous. Markets are also nervous about the AI bubble and Trumps idiotic tariffs.

With this background and the resultant 'guard rails' labour are struggling, to get building houses, nuclear energy plants, new national grid etc, all growth stimulants. Whilst of course, seeming unable or unwilling to 'stop the boats', enabling ***ash and Deform to appear the winners of the next GE.

Good job I am old...and this won't bother me.

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how does it stop people from going to university? you dont pay it back unless you are well enough off to do so…
I guess you didn’t grow up on a council estate. :)
Coming out with £10,000s debt without a well off family support would be very prohibitive for a lot of kids from low income families.

We need to get a balance between vocational and university opportunities for kids but I have no issue with governments promoting and providing opportunities for for kids from low income families. The tories and liberals stopped this with prohibitive costs. In the 2010 election the liberals got a lot of votes from uni cities and subsequently forgot their manifesto when some silver and fancy job titles were chucked their way.
 
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You don’t need to cut services, just make them move efficient, as I said on the starmer thread about the changing light bulbs get rid of the many pen pushers that job aren't required just jobs for the boys. You just need the people DOING the actual front line job.
It’s good to be efficient and there’s some proper weird jobs but you do also need organisers. Organisers are part of doing the job. We have made the world ridiculously complicated through pointless levels of privatisation and competition mind. Cost savings often cost more to administer than the saving itself.
 
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there are a lot of consultants choking the money from reaching and supporting the front line. It needs to change pronto so that can improve. I also agree on the means testing- lots more folk can pay for their services and should, including me - I do anyway. But also, tax the super wealthy a bit more.
The government cutting a lot of the NHS admin and Police Crime Commissioners seems to be a sign that they agree.
 
I guess you didn’t grow up on a council estate. :)
Coming out with £10,000s debt without a well off family support would be very prohibitive for a lot of kids from low income families.


The problem for Universities

We need to get a balance between vocational and university opportunities for kids but I have no issue with governments promoting and providing opportunities for for kids from low income families. The tories and liberals stopped this with prohibitive costs. In the 2010 election the liberals got a lot of votes from uni cities and subsequently forgot their manifesto when some silver and fancy job titles were chucked their way.


The problem is the £10,000 pa the UK students pay, is not sufficient to fund the running of Universities. Overseas students (who pay a lot more) have been making up the difference, but to decrease immigration numbers are being limited.
 
I agree that the wealthy should pay a lot more tax than those on say an average wage.

The problem with a wealth tax, for instance, say an individual's total wealth is assessed each year ( would take an army of accountants etc to do that), then a % charge is levied on that. Something like this has been tried and very little revenue collected for the outlay to achieve it.

We already have a death (inheritance) tax. Tax on interest, dividends and capital gains. Of course income tax, a tax on how much you spend VAT... it could be argued that some form of wealth tax is already in use, just increase the rates? More revenue for less cost?

As the rising welfare bill, both for young people not working (pity wages are not a lot higher than benefits, my son is a single parent with two kids, if his wages go up a bit he will actually be less well off, as he loses benefits!). Then at the other end of the spectrum, 'granny" is no longer sitting in a chair by the fire (with family) but in a care home that costs a fortune.
They do it in Switzerland based on worldwide income including stocks and investments. There’s a model to follow
 
It’s good not be efficient and there’s some proper weird jobs but you do also need organisers. Organisers are part of doing the job. We have made the world ridiculously complicated through pointless levels of privatisation and competition mind. Cost savings often cost more to administer than the saving itself.
Yes prob 50% of CS office jobs are required to do tasks just seem to be a lot more than needed.
 
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The government cutting a lot of the NHS admin and Police Crime Commissioners seems to be a sign that they agree.
Who is policing it though, you need outside check to make sure the non jobs are the ones being cut or you get another form of austerity with plenty of the pet project jobs hidden away.
 
I don’t believe they have started cutting anyone yet and I don’t think they will.

They’re working through it now. Natural wastage currently in the nhs I believe while they work out how to organise the 10 year plan.
The PCC wil take 2 years but staff have been informed. One of our work team had a PCC on the way to chair a partnership meeting the other day and he got off the train and went back after he received a call. Knew nowt before that point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93d4dd3l3lo.amp

https://www.nhsconfed.org/publications/abolishing-nhs-england-what-you-need-know
 
They’re working through it now. Natural wastage currently in the nhs I believe while they work out how to organise the 10 year plan.
The PCC wil take 2 years but staff have been informed. One of our work team had a PCC on the way to chair a partnership meeting the other day and he got off the train and went back after he received a call. Knew nowt before that point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93d4dd3l3lo.amp

https://www.nhsconfed.org/publications/abolishing-nhs-england-what-you-need-know
What worries me is who makes up the natural wastage,
If I was a nurse or doctor and got offered a way out, I would be first in the queue.
I just done see the ones we need to leave will be the ones that leave, especially when it’s down to MPs<ok>
 
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The problem is the £10,000 pa the UK students pay, is not sufficient to fund the running of Universities. Overseas students (who pay a lot more) have been making up the difference, but to decrease immigration numbers are being limited.
I have worked in universities for most of my career. We have ended up with far too much of it. Too many universities. Too many courses. Too many kids who shouldnt go getting in.

We have created a system not fit for purpose. Too many kids have been sold a fantasy not an aspiration. They have gone, accepted some duff course (particularly dual study ones) and come out without employment prospects. It is only recently universities have had to focus on employability stats as part of their reporting to central govt.

Paying for HE is 100% the right model. That is if the service you get is value for money. There was a time a degree led to higher salaries. Why not pay for the privilege (it is a privilege not a right). We dont provide good degree outcomes for a lot of students who are then left with debt and limited career opportunities.

In the sector at the moment job cuts are rife. So are strikes against them. Due to govt policy on immigration (legal not illegal) we have seen overseas students go to more welcoming geographies like Australia. A financial blackhole is now huge. Universities will go bust soon. Labour had the good sense to allow an increase in fees, tiny as it was, then offset that and some with the NI rise. We have left the sector with no fee rises for more than a decade whilst prices soar. £10k p.a. is nowhere near enough to run the services studenta consume.

It is about to get worse. From 2028 demographics mean there are less students in the pool.

We need to be more honest with kids. If you get poor A level results uni isnt for you. You wont cope with it. But that isnt a bad thing. Technical courses and apprenticeships are every bit as valuable to out country. That should be the message. But sadly, due to the way politicians have advocated university, we have left universities needing to recruit kids who arent up to it, and those students being sold the fantasy. That isnt aspiration, it is fundamentally setting young people up to fail.

We need to trim HE by 25%. I have been saying this for 15 years or more. But until we replace with well articulated alternative kids will buy the dream. There is a lot to like about Labours plans for FE education and technical pathways. It needs some serious funding though. May tuituin fees are needed at that level too.