Crime - part deux.
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You are correct - but scanners / detectors at the bigger stations and more transport police would help ... but that requires investment...
and if we invested in this stuff it would save on prison costs.
Tbph when I first heard this attack unfolding, my first thought was football fans, I think the assumptions it was two attackers threw me, because it's so unusual. So my brain process was fans have kicked off on a train. Once the main media had got hold of events with eye witness accounts, everything started to make more sense, especially with witnesses saying it was only one attacker.
While on the subject of the football scenario, back in the 70's we never thought we would control football hooligans, we even tried putting them in cages which failed awfully. We never thought we would be able to control racial and mysogynistic behaviours either. But the thing is we did change the face of football and behaviours on match days, if you want to put in the investment.
Your solutions are practical ones, if you want to go into a football ground, there is always the likelihood you will be searched, these grounds hold attendances of up to 70,000 and we manage them fine and safely (one million at least every weekend). You are always going to get the dick that bucks the system, but football grounds must be one of the safest event places around void of such incidents of attackers.
So it can be done, politicians just need to get on with it and stop ignoring the problem. You will never stop every attacker, but no way should that man have been able to get on a packed commuter train with a big **** off knife - we just need to stop making the excuses, because if the authorities don't deal with this, people will start going armed up themselves as would happen in a football ground all those decades ago.
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Then people would just target smaller stations.
It's just not feasible to protect everyone from this sort of thing.
Trains are easy to manage, they are enclosed environments, you couldn't get an easier situation to manage. Every station you have to go through has a barrier, the smaller stations would be far easier to manage as well due to a lot less volume. Let's remember here the railway companies claimed they were getting rid of ticket offices so they could have those people managing the public need on platforms, well here's there chance. From what I've heard which I will not repeat until it comes out officially, this guy should never have been even allowed to get near a station, let alone on a train - not the first time we have failed in these scenarios. It's only going to be a matter of time before facial recognition will be used at stations, if the police are not already using it on the quiet. Afterall airports manage all this. We never use to have this knife problem, we just need a serious approach to it, rather than more excuses and more sorries everytime someone gets stabbed up...the cost of every one of these events must be astronomical to the emergency services, so the investment is worth it....Archers just need to pull his finger out.
If the old bill had shot them an innocent man would have been shot
Not all smaller stations have barriers though.
I just don't see how you could install metal detectors at every single station of which there must be thousands. Let alone police then as we don't have anywhere near enough police as it is, isn't it over 10k less than we had 15 years ago?
Airports aren't really comparable as there must be 50-100 times more train stations than airports, also so many more people use them. Can you imagine having to queue up to take your shoes and belt off outside Waterloo or Euston
Agree re facial recognition and that's where you need to be careful in saying that we need to make all train stations safe cos the government will just go "okay well the easiest and safest way of doing that is facial recognition".
Sadly I think it's simply a case of there's always going to be a risk some **** going on a stabbing spree in a train station/shopping centre/car park/supermarket etc. and you can't make every single public area safe.
For me the only thing we can do is massively increase sentencing just for carrying a knife but that brings its ow problems about prison spaces and staffing.
Not all smaller stations have barriers though.
I just don't see how you could install metal detectors at every single station of which there must be thousands. Let alone police then as we don't have anywhere near enough police as it is, isn't it over 10k less than we had 15 years ago?
Airports aren't really comparable as there must be 50-100 times more train stations than airports, also so many more people use them. Can you imagine having to queue up to take your shoes and belt off outside Waterloo or Euston
Agree re facial recognition and that's where you need to be careful in saying that we need to make all train stations safe cos the government will just go "okay well the easiest and safest way of doing that is facial recognition".
Sadly I think it's simply a case of there's always going to be a risk some **** going on a stabbing spree in a train station/shopping centre/car park/supermarket etc. and you can't make every single public area safe.
For me the only thing we can do is massively increase sentencing just for carrying a knife but that brings its ow problems about prison spaces and staffing.
I don't disagree with you and my reaction is more the extreme scenario, especially as I'm not aware of these incidents occuring that often on trains. What does need to change though is our approach to people carrying knives, as the Tories would say and have, stop and search goes down, knife crime goes up. We need to take on @Spurlock ideas, choppy choppy, do that a few times you will cure knife crime over night, and this is my main beef, we are not doing enough and I blame all our politicians for that.
Yeah agree the knife crime issue is massive. Absolutely exploded in the last decade or two.
I remember a couple of nippers being stabbed to death down here in the space of a couple of years and it was so surprising at the time. Wouldn't be shocked at all if it happened now.
You're right to point out that this sort of incident is extremely rare on a train too.
Old bill turns up and does this to the side of the carriage
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Hope everyone innocent is lying flat
Made me laugh seeing the old bill storm the train with the guns, knowing now he'd already got off and they arrested the wrong guy lol.
They would ... but that requires effort whereas right now it's as easy as... and to put it into context ... just about every
supermarket has a detection device at the door...
Laura Foster 13:46
Senior reporter
We can now bring you the full statement from Scunthorpe United:
"Jonathan Gjoshe was one of the victims affected by the shocking attack on an LNER train bound for London on Saturday evening.
"We can confirm that Jonathan sustained non-life-threatening injuries as a result of the attack, but currently remains in hospital.
"Due to the ongoing investigations taking place, we are currently unable to update further.
"Everyone at the club, from the Board, management and his teammates, along with all staff behind the scenes, sends our heartfelt well wishes to Jonathan for a full recovery, which is also extended to all the victims on board the train."
Senior reporter
We can now bring you the full statement from Scunthorpe United:
"Jonathan Gjoshe was one of the victims affected by the shocking attack on an LNER train bound for London on Saturday evening.
"We can confirm that Jonathan sustained non-life-threatening injuries as a result of the attack, but currently remains in hospital.
"Due to the ongoing investigations taking place, we are currently unable to update further.
"Everyone at the club, from the Board, management and his teammates, along with all staff behind the scenes, sends our heartfelt well wishes to Jonathan for a full recovery, which is also extended to all the victims on board the train."
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Not all smaller stations have barriers though.
I just don't see how you could install metal detectors at every single station of which there must be thousands. Let alone police then as we don't have anywhere near enough police as it is, isn't it over 10k less than we had 15 years ago?
Airports aren't really comparable as there must be 50-100 times more train stations than airports, also so many more people use them. Can you imagine having to queue up to take your shoes and belt off outside Waterloo or Euston
Agree re facial recognition and that's where you need to be careful in saying that we need to make all train stations safe cos the government will just go "okay well the easiest and safest way of doing that is facial recognition".
Sadly I think it's simply a case of there's always going to be a risk some **** going on a stabbing spree in a train station/shopping centre/car park/supermarket etc. and you can't make every single public area safe.
For me the only thing we can do is massively increase sentencing just for carrying a knife but that brings its ow problems about prison spaces and staffing.
Every station on the Bedford to Brighton line (in London - St Pancras, City Thameslink, Farringdon, Blackfriars and London Bridge) has barriers .. therfore could have scanners - I know what you're saying ... but the likelihood of a stabby type finding his way to Little Fartingthorpe way out in the sticks in an attempt to circumvent security and implement a murder spree is much less a risk than the current situation ...
Daniel Sandford 12:32
Home affairs correspondent, reporting from court
After a brief appearance in Peterborough Magistrates' Court, Antony Williams has been remanded in custody.
Here's a reminder of what he has been charged with:
Home affairs correspondent, reporting from court
After a brief appearance in Peterborough Magistrates' Court, Antony Williams has been remanded in custody.
Here's a reminder of what he has been charged with:
- Ten counts of attempted murder following a stabbing attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday
- Actual bodily harm in connection to an alleged assault on a police officer in a custody suite, following the train attack
- One count of possession of bladed article in connection to the incident in Cambridgeshire
- Another count of attempted murder in a separate incident at Pontoon Dock Docklands Light Railway (DLR) station, London, in the early hours of Saturday
- Another count of possession of a bladed article in connection to the incident at Pontoon Dock DLR station