Off Topic Politics Thread

You seem to forget we already tried a Clown Car comedy government under Boris Johnson - and it was a disaster.

 

Of course, the current government is doing so much better. Under Johnson it was corrupt, under Starmer it is incompetent.

 

If you think you've seen corruption and incompetence, wait til Pound Shop Oswald Mosley and his assorted flag-shaggers, spivs and headbangers form a government (God forbid).

 

I think IOAG will blow his beans if that happens.

 

Its the lies that come with Reform and it's galivanting American Dad MAGA which worries me. Is it related to increasing online life and decreasing attention spans? That the case has be be made and won simultaneously, with memes and disembodied clips in mind? Contradictions no longer undermine the message when each message is consumed in isolation. You can be simultaneously anti-establishment and pro-billionaire, pro-freedom and pro-authoritarian, because people encounter these positions as stand alone moments rather than a complete manifesto or congent belief system to evaluate.

"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do." JD Vance.

Like a "goodie" spy in movie against a seemingly insurmountable foe, lies and deception are noble and for the greater good. "He's willing to say what needs to be said" or "he's fighting dirty because the stakes are too high for messing about with civility." Vance not just instinctively lying like Trump. But it is of course a lie within a lie; the "liberal media conspiracy." Vance's lies - ie; "Haitian immigrants eating pets," are being amplified and treated as legitimate news stories; by conservative dominated media landscape, which ensures his untruths receive saturation coverage.

Never apologise, Liedology -101. I mean Starmer's had a crack at it, but he is - like politics in general - just not very good at it! His lawyerly approach often comes of as evasion and actually trips him up, "Its not illegal, no law has been broken" (those adenoidal strains). His trademark "grown-up" caveats look like weakness; like waving a policy document about in the cut and thrust of online dopamine fight.

Meanwhile Farage can just say the contradictory things I mentioned above, often false, vibes-based things - and they land because they're emotionally coherent even when logically incoherent. "Take back control" while backing billionaires who want to dismantle worker protections, etc. While Starmer keeps answering questions nobody's asking while failing to address the ones many people feel.