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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Leeds United

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Oct 2, 2025.

  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    Extended highlights:

    Behind the scenes:
     
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    But there is an enormous amount of confirmation bias around.
    Blaming him for the Leeds goal for example where he did well to stop a big deflection. And the recent goal where he cleared a terrible back pass directly to Spence who failed to control it leading to a goal. Neither were remotely his fault but both got him criticised on here.
     
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    The problem, as with most football criticism, is that it's all about opinions. 'Confirmation Bias' is simply how most arguments are formed, so in that sense it's a meaningless phrase. In Vicario's case I agree, he makes some brilliant saves, that being the reason, presumably, why he was chosen to be the Spurs goalkeeper. However, in the opinion of many, including me, he is not secure enough in his overall play. He does not control his area, he flaps when under pressure, and he does not prioritize catching the ball. Perhaps we should give Kinsky a run.
     
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    The eyeball test is seriously overrated
     
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    What is the difference between prevented goals and saves?
     
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    Prevented goals = saves compared to the xGoT (or Expected Goals on Target)

    Basically an xG which has an end product
     
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    OK thanks.

    I probably rely on XCITA Expected catches in the area.
     
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    I don't think anyone should rely on either but the only thing that really matters about a goalkeeper is whether he stops more goals than an alternative one. How he does it is irrelevant surely.
     
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    None of the above 'stats' can account for the two significant failings that for me are unacceptable: the uncertainty
    and general look of panic he continues to display and the verbals directed (only) at the younger players.

    He's not some rookie keeper, he's a highly paid and very experienced international. Exuding calm and being a positive role model are basic qualities that should come naturally to him. They don't.
     
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    I don't think that exuding calm really comes with the modern goalkeeping role, unfortunately.
    High lines, passing out short, punching instead of catching, etc? Lots of dodgy moments.

    The other aspect is the lack of protection that he in particular gets from refs.
    It was supposed to be the new normal and then it suddenly wasn't any more.
     
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    He definitely gives it out to the senior players

    Case in point, during the Europa League final there was a moment where he literally dragged Bissouma into position when setting up for a corner because Bissouma was ignoring him clearly yelling instructions, and when the cross came in Bissouma got a head to it to snuff out the danger. He was also manhandling Son when he kept getting nudged into him
     
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