Match Day Thread NUFC vs Arsenal

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TheBear said:
On a Serious note - those handball should NEVER be given. The rule exists to stop players using their hands in the game right?.. Smashing a ball from 1-2 metres away at a p[layer and expecting a handball decision is completely ****ing stupid. (Even though they sometimes are given)
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The point of it was because defenders (John Terry a classic) deliberately made themselves big using their arms to block shots and crosses and would look all innocent as they “accidentally “ handled the ball hence the new rule where they judge if the arm is in a natural position or not.
 
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Hung Drawn and Quartered said:
Dermot needs to polish up on his homework or hang up his whistle for good
as I pointed out earlier
law 12

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
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Fabian Schar last season v Southampton springs to mind when everyone was saying the sending off was correct despite no contact made
 
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We all remember incidents which haven’t been dealt with by the referee in terms of cards being dealt with by the authorities after the game. Why is that not happening for this assault?
 
magpie290761 said:
The point of it was because defenders (John Terry a classic) deliberately made themselves big using their arms to block shots and crosses and would look all innocent as they “accidentally “ handled the ball hence the new rule where they judge if the arm is in a natural position or not.
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When people slide (like Gabriel) their arms up come.

When you jump - your arms again are used to create momentum - even sprinting requires arm motion. Its "unnatural" to do anything athletic with your arms stuck to your sides.

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TheBear said:
When people slide (like Gabriel) their arms up come.

When you jump - your arms again are used to create momentum - even sprinting requires arm motion. Its "unnatural" to do anything athletic with your arms stuck to your sides.

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The Law has been there for many seasons now
it was first introduce to stop the likes of John Terry sliding in and collecting the ball as he slid in
as he so often did
the law has been finely tuned ever since
 
TheBear said:
When people slide (like Gabriel) their arms up come.

When you jump - your arms again are used to create momentum - even sprinting requires arm motion. Its "unnatural" to do anything athletic with your arms stuck to your sides.

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The judgement of natural position is taken on an incident by incident basis and everyone won’t always agree with the judgment but it does overall cutout the John Terry style of defending.
 
magpie290761 said:
What I’m getting at is that a goal and a wrongly disallowed penalty don’t constitute playing less than ok which is what you were saying. Had we rightly got the penalty and scored their being “better” and deserving to win would have meant nothing. We’d have had at least a draw
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Rum & Black for 2 said:
Don’t immediately blame the referee as he can’t see everything that’s going on. But VAR, that is one of the reasons it’s supposed to be being used. No excuse at all for the incompetent VAR officials however.

Just imagine if

1. Gykores gets booked for diving and trying to cheat for a penalty.
2. Gabriel gets sent off for hitting Big Nick
3. A penalty is given for the handball on Elanga’s shot.

Also, anyone notice any significant decisions being missed which would have favoured Arsenal? I can’t think of any.

Also, also really pleased to hear what Big Nick said about not cheating following the attack by Gabriel. Others might not agree and say he should have gone down but for me it’s a breath of fresh air and he should be praised for what he did.
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Arsenal should have had a penalty imo. Pope got lucky with the slightest of flick. But he wiped him completely out. If that was against us I want a penalty all day long.

The incident on Woltemade. The punch. Yes I think VAR should have looked at that and a red card shown.

The hand ball. It took the slightest of deflections of Gabriel’s foot but that’s not enough in my mind not to give the penalty. As such should have been one.

They could say they got shafted once. We got shafted twice.
 
Is everyone still bleating on about this defeat? We didn't win and we move on guys.

October looks like an opportunity to turn this around.
 
Gangsta Ginola said:
Arsenal should have had a penalty imo. Pope got lucky with the slightest of flick. But he wiped him completely out. If that was against us I want a penalty all day long.

The incident on Woltemade. The punch. Yes I think VAR should have looked at that and a red card shown.

The hand ball. It took the slightest of deflections of Gabriel’s foot but that’s not enough in my mind not to give the penalty. As such should have been one.

They could say they got shafted once. We got shafted twice.
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Interesting take on the Arsenal penalty claim on match of the day by Joe Hart. Showed that Pope got a touch on the ball before contact, the touch was enough to deflect the ball and apparently because Pope had planted his foot before the very slight contact it couldn’t be a foul. Interesting, don’t shoot the messenger though, it was new to me.
 
magpie290761 said:
Interesting take on the Arsenal penalty claim on match of the day by Joe Hart. Showed that Pope got a touch on the ball before contact, the touch was enough to deflect the ball and apparently because Pope had planted his foot before the very slight contact it couldn’t be a foul. Interesting, don’t shoot the messenger though, it was new to me.
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I see that. I still personally think that it should have been a penalty to them.

Pope didn’t actually initiate the contact. It just so happened to brush his toe.

It’s a bit like the Gabriel penalty incident. The ball touched his foot first before hitting his hand. But his hand was clearly in an unnatural position.

Both should have been penalties.

Gabriel should have been sent off. If he had. The penalty claim wouldn’t have happened.
 
Gangsta Ginola said:
I see that. I still personally think that it should have been a penalty to them.

Pope didn’t actually initiate the contact. It just so happened to brush his toe.

It’s a bit like the Gabriel penalty incident. The ball touched his foot first before hitting his hand. But his hand was clearly in an unnatural position.

Both should have been penalties.

Gabriel should have been sent off. If he had. The penalty claim wouldn’t have happened.
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Pope got his foot in line to make contact with the ball. That’s not a foul
 
magpie290761 said:
Pope got his foot in line to make contact with the ball. That’s not a foul
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I disagree. But well you know it’s a forum.

If VAR had not got involved we would have not said much. It’s only the very slow motion replays that seen the minor clip.

But hey let’s not let our personal bias get in the way.
 
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