Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Wolverhampton Wanderers

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Depends on expectations I guess.

Spurs will probably finish mid table this season so I expect a lot of games where it’s not a good performance. Still a lot of young players who are very inconsistent so it’s unlikely the team is gonna go on a long run at any point.

If you look at data then Spurs are probably higher in the league than they should be.

I know you probably don't care about my opinion as an Arsenal fan (although I'll give it anyway <laugh>), but honestly, you're doing your current squad a bit of a disservice.

I think you have some very decent players, and you have a very intelligent, tactically astute coach, who has proven at Brentford he can overachieve with the resources at his disposal. Last year, you massively underperformed in the league. And despite whatever flaws you had, there's no way you should have been finishing 17th. Ange rightfully got the boot and now you're seeing a Spurs team who can be organised, can defend, can be a threat in transition/on the counter and can give the better sides in the league a run for their money.

I appreciate there's still a long season to go, but I don't see a reason why you can't be aiming for a top-7 spot.
 
Just remember lads, it could always be worse

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Yeah we’d probably be on about 4 points this season if we hadn’t changed it up, Romero and van de Ven would’ve likely picked up the first of their three injuries too. Don’t wanna hate too much on the guy though so I’ll leave it at that.
 
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I'd understand this view if it was against a better calibre of opposition, but rescuing a draw at home against the league's bottom side? I don't know man. For me, it's not a particularly good result even if your performance wasn't the best.

In the grand scheme of things, and considering the expectations pre-game, surely, this has to be 2 points dropped?
At this early stage in the season positions do not tell that much. Wolves are much better than you give them credit for as time will tell
 
At this early stage in the season positions do not tell that much. Wolves are much better than you give them credit for as time will tell

Not convinced I'm afraid, Spurf. They were one of my candidates to potentially go down this season and I've not seen enough evidence thus far to really change my mind.

And even if they are better than I think, given the squad and manager you have, this is a fixture you should be winning at home IMO.
 
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One of those bizarre games where it seems our entire team has forgotten how to pass. Understandable if we were against a side that presses well or we were playing in front of a hostile away crowd and that was making players nervy or even if we had a scratch side due to injuries/suspensions/lasagne, but none of those was the case today which made the lax passing all the more odd. Same goes for how we were not getting most of our shots on target

Still, at least The Doctor was ushered out the door prior to the final whistle
 
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Not convinced I'm afraid, Spurf. They were one of my candidates to potentially go down this season and I've not seen enough evidence thus far to really change my mind.

And even if they are better than I think, given the squad and manager you have, this is a fixture you should be winning at home IMO.

These sort of games happen though. To draw it and not lose after that second half has to be a positive.

6 played in the league and only 1 defeat. After last season, that’s a big positive for me.
 
Not convinced I'm afraid, Spurf. They were one of my candidates to potentially go down this season and I've not seen enough evidence thus far to really change my mind.

And even if they are better than I think, given the squad and manager you have, this is a fixture you should be winning at home IMO.
We are a work in progress.
 
Erm...isn't it?

Look, don't get me wrong, 1 point is better than 0. However, you were playing against the team rooted bottom of the table, who were coming into this fixture without a solitary point on the board.

Surely, given your strong start to the season under Thomas Frank (a manager I hold in very high regard), you'd have expected to win this? A draw is pretty disappointing considering the opposition IMO.

Happy to be challenged on this if others have a different view, though.
No challenge here :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
These sort of games happen though. To draw it and not lose after that second half has to be a positive.

6 played in the league and only 1 defeat. After last season, that’s a big positive for me.
Thank you for the optimism, we are a good team and top 6 I think is excellent this season. Just the fact we just can’t beat wolves is so frustrating.
 
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I know you probably don't care about my opinion as an Arsenal fan (although I'll give it anyway <laugh>), but honestly, you're doing your current squad a bit of a disservice.

I think you have some very decent players, and you have a very intelligent, tactically astute coach, who has proven at Brentford he can overachieve with the resources at his disposal. Last year, you massively underperformed in the league. And despite whatever flaws you had, there's no way you should have been finishing 17th. Ange rightfully got the boot and now you're seeing a Spurs team who can be organised, can defend, can be a threat in transition/on the counter and can give the better sides in the league a run for their money.

I appreciate there's still a long season to go, but I don't see a reason why you can't be aiming for a top-7 spot.

I don't think we have that many decent players tbh, and that is what today hopefully showed Frank.

Granted, two of our decent players (Maddison and Kulusevski) have long term injuries, and the back four is pretty decent as a unit, but once you move beyond those, only Palhinha and Kudus fall under that category imo.

Sarr and Bergvall have huge potential but not yet consistent enough.

And then you get to a whole slew of middling players who to be brutally honest wouldn't be out of place in a mid table side, if not worse.

Johnson
Richarlison
Solanke
Bentancur
Tel
Odobert
Vicario

The fact that four of those are supposedly in the "prime" of their careers yet contribute almost nothing of note, is damning.

Ange's buffoonery was only one side of the problem last season. The other is that we don't have enough good players and, since Son's departure, certainly don't have anyone who could be classed as an 'elite' talent.
 
I don't think we have that many decent players tbh, and that is what today hopefully showed Frank.

Granted, two of our decent players (Maddison and Kulusevski) have long term injuries, and the back four is pretty decent as a unit, but once you move beyond those, only Palhinha and Kudus fall under that category imo.

Sarr and Bergvall have huge potential but not yet consistent enough.

And then you get to a whole slew of middling players who to be brutally honest wouldn't be out of place in a mid table side, if not worse.

Johnson
Richarlison
Solanke
Bentancur
Tel
Odobert
Vicario

The fact that four of those are supposedly in the "prime" of their careers yet contribute almost nothing of note, is damning.

Ange's buffoonery was only one side of the problem last season. The other is that we don't have enough good players and, since Son's departure, certainly don't have anyone who could be classed as an 'elite' talent.

This is where I am too. Very much a squad with still a lot of work to do with it.
 
No Solanke (much better than Richarlison), no kuluchevski, no maddison... those three would make us more dangerous going forward and would help keep players fresher.

After last season in the league we've certainly improved.

we drew with West ham last season, lost at home to Wolves, lost at Brighton and at home to Bournemouth...this season we've picked up 5 points from the same games instead of 1.
We also only beat 1 of the promoted teams at home and this season we've already beaten one.

we are no where near being a top 4 team.
we'd have to nearly double our points from last season and come 13 places higher!
just not gonna happen imho.

I think a Europa League finish and at least one good attempt at the domestic cups and qualifying for the last 16 of CL would be a massive improvement.