Hmmm… people can’t have it both ways though. Want to get better control over black market employment? You need some kind of national ID system.
I'm not opposed to the idea, but I have concerns that every citizen will have their details in an online database. Yes, it will be secure, but it will be a constant target for cybercrime. It will need people to access it and people are the weak link in any cyber security leak.
They managed to hack the criminal justice system’s state aid database so this is a very valid concern…
Won't make hardly any difference at all to illegal working. Massive slippery slope imo, down the line it'll be law that you have to present it whenever asked by a police officer. "Papers please". Wouldn't surprise me if it never got through either. None of the other major parties will support it and I could see another rebellion within labour itself. It's also really daft politically, this will push more people away from labour and won't impact migration enough to win those over who consider that their main issue.
I'm quite happy for Labour to keep shooting themselves in the foot as I want them out of office ASAP.
I'm delighted to see MPs as varied as Jeremy Corbyn and Rupert Lowe, as well as some Labour MPs, are already opposing this. I desperately hope it's voted down, or at least delayed long enough for the next government to stop it being implemented. I don't see any reason why this would do anything about black market employment. Employers are already required to check people are eligible to work in the UK before they employ them and we already have various things issued by the government (passports, driving licences, National Insurance numbers, other voluntary forms of ID) to allow that to happen. If employers ignore that requirement now this won't make any difference. What it will do is fundamentally change the relationship between the state and the public. The police will certainly have an absolute right to stop anyone at any time and demand to see their ID. Other state officials may too. Then you hit the slippery slope. Look at what's been happening with the Online Safety Act. It's really not too much of stretch to imagine the government forcing internet providers to log the details of your ID whenever you use the internet. Obviously this will be "to protect children". As an added bonus, they can see which websites you access. Watching Saints games on a dodgy stream may not look like a good option any more. Then it becomes a requirement for shops and cinemas to record details of your ID whenever you go to see an age-restricted film or buy things like alcohol or cigarettes. Again, this will be so the government can "protect children". Then you need to present it whenever you stay in a hotel or use a train or a bus. For "security reasons". I'm sure stadiums and other venues will also start requiring it when you buy tickets for concerts or sporting events. Security again. Then your ID gets logged every time you buy something ("Who cares? We already have to do this to buy alcohol or Taylor Swift tickets.") Before long the government has a complete record of everything you buy and everywhere you buy it. And of course that's without the already-mentioned danger of large government databases and leaks. Not long ago there was a leak of data relating to spies and the SAS. If they can't protect them then the average person has no chance.
And who do you imagine replacing them? Be careful what you wish for as we are on the edge of a Trumpian nightmare.
Exactly. Not to mention how more nefarious government could use it. Frozen bank account if you attend an anti government protest? Extreme example sure but not at all beyond the realms of possibility.
And you'd have an absolute right to completely blank them and carry on with your day. Not obliged to provide them with anything.
Completely possible. I'm sure the Canadian government did something like that after the trucker protests a couple of years ago.
Right now that's probably true but I don't think that would still be the case if we had mandatory ID. If you're not required to produce the ID on demand what's the point of making it mandatory? When we had compulsory ID during the two World Wars people were required to produce their ID card on demand. That's actually how we got rid of them in the 50s. After WW1, ID cards were abolished quite quickly but after WW2 the Attlee government kept them. There were a variety of protests after the war and then a high profile court case. A dry cleaner called Harry Willcock was stopped by the police and refused to produce an ID card, saying "I am against this sort of thing." He was prosecuted and found guilty but the judge, Lord Justice Goddard, gave him an absolute discharge (i.e. no punishment at all), indicated any magistrates who had to hear similar cases should do the same and wrote a scathing judgement effectively saying we shouldn't have ID cards. Churchill abolished ID cards the next year. I'm not sure we have judges like that any more.
It was specifically truckers crossing the US border had to be vaccinated. Doesn’t seem all that unreasonable to me. I have been to countries I had to have vaccinations for…
I've worked in many countries, Scandinavia, Europe, Africa and Asia, most have an ID card non have threatened my personal liberty. I've no problems at all in principle. There doesn't to be need a database which holds a complete life story or be biometric. That depends on the situation. You generally do not have to provide anything to the police assuming they are "them" less there is a legal requirement to do so, such as a court order, a lawful demand under a statute, or in specific situations like a traffic stop where identification is mandated by law. There is so much information on each individual on government databases, medical records, financial records, credit rating ect ect and of all the personal details freely given to social media disgraces.
Look at the decline of the country across almost any metric, social or political. Then look at predictions about where we are heading. Crime.is increasing, the economy is not growing, and this government have no plan to cut the ever growing social and welfare bills, resolve growing unemployment or increase birth rates. We are already in a nightmare.
Preferably not but this Labour government have proven their incompetence time and time again. Unless I see significant improvement in performance I will be voting for the party most likely to oust them at the next GE.
We're well away from the next GE. Tactical voting then, dependant on constituency, vote for the candidate that is most likely to keep out tory and/or reform. The first who's policies put the country in all but unrecoverable decline and the latter bunch of grifters who's policies are unworkable and unfunded.
