I won't "deep dive" or read more as it won't effect me in the slightest as I dont live in the UK. All I'm saying is the digital ids and id cards are great. I'll leave it there. Some people just love to oppose anything new/different. One of the things I hate about Sweden is we have very little CCT coverage. You have ****s loads in the UK and that is excellent for catching low level criminals.
You have said you have no idea what the proposed scheme is, nor any intention of checking. I checked, and the Swedish scheme you seem to like, is nothing like the one proposed in the UK, which kind of negates your points. Despite the numbers of cameras, crime is on a huge upward tick in the UK. That scheme doesn't work either. HTH
I've never said I had any interest in your proposed scheme have I? I just absolutely love ours. My "points" relate to my life not yours. Crime may be increasing in the UK but mass cctv only helps to catch those perpetuating the crimes doesn't it? Or do you have evidence that cctv is leading to less convictions? Or do you think cctv in uk cites is causing more crimes?
I agree with most of your points on this, but I thought the trend in crime in the UK was going down, not up?
There are a number of reports suggesting that more and more crime now goes unreported. In the year to September 2024, approximately 6.2% of crimes in England and Wales resulted in a charge or summons, while the total proportion "brought to justice" was around 10.1%. These figures show a historical decline, with the charge/summons rate for all offenses dropping significantly from a high of around 16% in the year ending March 2015. The crime rate for England and Wales was 87.2 per 1,000 people in 2024/25, an increase from 85.7 per 1,000 in the previous year. Certain types of crime, such as violence against the person and sexual offences, have increased significantly, while others, like theft, have declined overall but seen spikes in specific areas such as shoplifting. Recent Trends (2023-2025) Increasing Fraud & Computer Misuse: The latest Office for National Statistics (ONS) data shows a significant increase in fraud, particularly fraud involving advance fees and unauthorized access to personal information. Rising Theft & Robbery: The CSEW also indicates a recent increase in theft and robbery. Fluctuating Violence: While violent crime figures from the CSEW show a long-term decrease, there are specific exceptions in the latest reporting periods. For example, robbery and violence with injury have shown recent increases in England and Wales. Shoplifting: Police-recorded figures have also shown a record high in shoplifting offences in the year to June 2024.
Not that this has anything to do with digital ID, but see above for a few stats and keep in mind a lot of crimes go unreported, as people lack confidence in Policing. I never said you had an 'interest' in the UK scheme, but the conversation relates to the UK scheme, not the very different Swedish one.
That increase in digital crime should be yet another red flag against the proposed scheme. Also, it's misleading to call it ID, as what's proposed is far more than just that. Just to add, does this look like it indicates a fall in crime rates, especially given around 94% of those they hear about don't get to Court? And think about how long the grooming abuse has continued, and how few of those brought to justice yet. Crown court backlog in England and Wales hits new record of almost 80,000 cases. The crown court backlog in England and Wales has risen by 10% to a new record of almost 80,000 cases, while wait times for trial dates have reached up to four years. Figures from the Ministry of Justice showed the open caseload was 78,329 at the end of June, up 2% from 76,957 at the end of March, the first time the backlog passed 75,000. It is also up 10% from 70,893 a year earlier, the figures show. https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/sep/25/crown-court-england-wales-law-justice-politics#:~:text=The crown court backlog in,reached up to four years.
