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[brb]

And using illegal migrants as an excuse to implement this is nothing but a ****ing joke. We shouldn't have let the ****ers in in the first place if they are coming across the channel on a dinghy, leaving a safe country. All the politicians are playing us off one another over this, just so they can implement more and more rules by the back door....well and truly butt ****ing us.

 

[brb]

Something kicking off a T4 Heathrow.

Edit:


Heathrow Airport

@HeathrowAirport

Terminal 4 check-in has been closed and evacuated while emergency services respond to an incident. Please do not travel to Terminal 4, colleagues are supporting passengers on site. We will provide further information as soon as we can, all other terminals are operating as normal

 

[Libby]

So here's how I off the top of my head think this will go...

No way can I see it just being a paper/card type of ID, it will probably be on your phone, much like the NHS app I have on my phone. Eventually that ID card will incoporate everything, so your drivers licence, health details, even passport one day. This will be a future dictators dream come true, no one can go anywhere unless permitted, the government will hold all the cards on your life and your compliance.

We've already seen some indications of this, with 200,000 random child benefit checks having taken place in the UK, where they accessed government border force details to check if random people had travelled abroad and how long for, without your permission or knowledge of them doing so, despite something like over 197,000+ never ever having commited any crime. And even the remaining total were mostly a misunderstanding of the rules, than actually committing a crime.

In 2026 the next lot of legislation passes where they will have access to anyones bank account details for anyone claiming state pension or benefits. They already check statements and are allowed to question transactions, but currently don't have direct access to the detail, they have to request it from the claimants and are then allowed to ask questions around any transactions that have been disclosed.

Not to forget those emergency alerts sent to people's mobiles, again something the government just went ahead and did. Covid has escalated all this to ridiculous proportions, cashless now gradually being eroded as a method of payment in many places, replaced by a digital footprint of every transcation you make, which can be accessed by the government when they feel like it, or make rules to fit.

Your phone tracks where you go, CCTV has been around now for everywhere you go, and you can't even escape it in your car ANPR. Now even facial recognition being recognised as the way forward by police forces and goverment. Let's not kid ourselves we are becoming a police state, the sort of thing often only dreamed about in North Korea and why, which of us asked for any of this, the future will not be thanking us.

Probably missing something but what's going abroad got to do with child benefit?

Do agree with your overall point though.

 

[Libby]

Something kicking off a T4 Heathrow.

Edit:


Heathrow Airport

@HeathrowAirport

Terminal 4 check-in has been closed and evacuated while emergency services respond to an incident. Please do not travel to Terminal 4, colleagues are supporting passengers on site. We will provide further information as soon as we can, all other terminals are operating as normal

'Possible hazardous materials incident'

 

[brb]

Probably missing something but what's going abroad got to do with child benefit?

Do agree with your overall point though.

I think people are only allowed to be out the country for a set amount of time. So by checking all claimants travel details they can tell the length of time you've spent abroad.

 

[brb]

I know my lad and partner don't get child benefit for my grandson, so I'm assuming it's means tested on household income these days, and of course the child limit cap these days. Hence for those that do claim, there is probably something that says you have to be resident in the UK for x amount of weeks for the year.

Thought I best look it up, apparently eight week rule..

1. 1. Comparison of Data:
   A pilot project, involving the Public Sector Fraud Authority, Home Office, and HMRC, compared claim records with international travel data.
2. 2. Identification of Potential Non-Entitlement:
   Where the data showed a claimant had left the UK for more than eight weeks (the general rule for continued eligibility), investigators would perform manual checks.
3. 3. New Specialist Team:
   Following the successful pilot, a larger team of investigators will use international travel data to identify claimants overseas who may no longer be entitled to the benefit.

Key eligibility rule

• Generally, you are not eligible for Child Benefit if you have been outside the UK for more than eight weeks, unless there are exceptional circumstances.

 

[JakartaToon]

It's aligning us more closely with the rest of Europe but also addressing the financial burden the UK faces by aligning the family rules for general migrants with refugees ... I.e. if you want your family to come you need to demonstrate that you can support them rather than the financial burden of upkeep falling solely on the British taxpayer ...

Your point on the families facing the same situation is valid... but if I thought my family would br exposed, I wouldn't have left them behind in the first place; would you?

If I thought that the best way of getting them out of the situation was for me to go the difficult route and them follow on legally then yes I definitely would.

I support the government rules for migrants applying to work in the UK and bring their families. I don’t think these rules should apply to approved refugees or the dependents, or for that, the foreign dependants of British nationals returning to reside in the UK.

 

[Solid Air]

So here's how I off the top of my head think this will go...

No way can I see it just being a paper/card type of ID, it will probably be on your phone, much like the NHS app I have on my phone. Eventually that ID card will incoporate everything, so your drivers licence, health details, even passport one day. This will be a future dictators dream come true, no one can go anywhere unless permitted, the government will hold all the cards on your life and your compliance.

We've already seen some indications of this, with 200,000 random child benefit checks having taken place in the UK, where they accessed government border force details to check if random people had travelled abroad and how long for, without your permission or knowledge of them doing so, despite something like over 197,000+ never ever having commited any crime. And even the remaining total were mostly a misunderstanding of the rules, than actually committing a crime.

In 2026 the next lot of legislation passes where they will have access to anyones bank account details for anyone claiming state pension or benefits. They already check statements and are allowed to question transactions, but currently don't have direct access to the detail, they have to request it from the claimants and are then allowed to ask questions around any transactions that have been disclosed.

Not to forget those emergency alerts sent to people's mobiles, again something the government just went ahead and did. Covid has escalated all this to ridiculous proportions, cashless now gradually being eroded as a method of payment in many places, replaced by a digital footprint of every transcation you make, which can be accessed by the government when they feel like it, or make rules to fit.

Your phone tracks where you go, CCTV has been around now for everywhere you go, and you can't even escape it in your car ANPR. Now even facial recognition being recognised as the way forward by police forces and goverment. Let's not kid ourselves we are becoming a police state, the sort of thing often only dreamed about in North Korea and why, which of us asked for any of this, the future will not be thanking us.

And even the remaining total were mostly a misunderstanding of the rules, than actually committing a crime.
oh give over it's hardly a difficult rule to understand

but currently don't have direct access to the detail, they have to request it from the claimants and are then allowed to ask questions around any transactions that have been disclosed.
The fraud depts can access full details without clts knowledge and have been able to for at least 25 years but do need a case to have been raised to give the justification .

edit: and the legislation doesn't give Govt depts access that they don't already have it just makes banks flag up possible fraudulent claims

 

[brb]

And even the remaining total were mostly a misunderstanding of the rules, than actually committing a crime.
oh give over it's hardly a difficult rule to understand

but currently don't have direct access to the detail, they have to request it from the claimants and are then allowed to ask questions around any transactions that have been disclosed.
The fraud depts can access full details without clts knowledge and have been able to for at least 25 years but do need a case to have been raised to give the justification .

That was the governments wording not mine.

and you can only know about the rules if you've been told them or looked them up. Would your average person going away for 8 weeks think to look up if they are still entitled to child benefit, I doubt it would even cross their mind. And either way most people didn't break any rules, so what gives government the right to snoop at their ****ing travel details without any notification or permission to do so.

Thing is mate because you worked in benefits, you seem to think it's ok to treat people this way, it's not, if you suspect fraud, approach it head on don't go snooping into hundreds of thousands of peoples personal data for a just in case scenario....which is also now being expanded. As you go on to say, they need justification, there was no justification whatsoever for snooping at totally innocent people.

 

[Solid Air]

That was the governments wording not mine.

and you can only know about the rules if you've been told them or looked them up. Would your average person going away for 8 weeks think to look up if they are still entitled to child benefit, I doubt it even crossed their mind. And either way most people didn't break any rules, so what gives government the right to snoop at their ****ing travel details without any notification or permission to do so.

Thing is mate because you worked in benefits, you seem to think it's ok to treat people this way, it's not, if you suspect fraud, approach it head on don't go snooping into hundreds of thousands of peoples personal data for a just in case scenarion....which is also now being expanded. As you go on to say, they need justification, there was no justification whatsoever for snooping at totally innocent people.

i'm on benefits and definitely would check the rules before ****ing off abroad for months .

 

[brb]

i'm on benefits and definitely would check the rules before ****ing off abroad for months .

Yeah because you've worked in benefits and even sound like the sort of **** they would employ. Thing was most people had done nowt wrong, some probably had never even travelled, for the ones that did, did other parents use to check before they travelled abroad if they could still have the child benefit, when it was dished out to even more than 2 kids in a family, I bet no one ever checked as it wasn't means tested until 2013. This is why this **** happens, because ****s like you think it's ok, well it's ****ing not.

 

[brb]

How about reeling in the big companies who dodge tax than go after the poorer people in society, and treat them like ****ing criminals when they've done nowt wrong. It's not acceptable, I don't know why it's become acceptable to snoop and pry in this way. Yes there are people that buck the system, but most of us know someone who has, and it certainly aint the ones this government is after. This is the political agenda all the time, let's go after pensioners and benefits.

 

[brb]

Even for the ones that they caught, what about the 197,000+ that were perfectly legal, where's the right in that, prying into their lives, I can't believe people actually accept this ****.

 

[Solid Air]

Yeah because you've worked in benefits and even sound like the sort of **** they would employ. Thing was most people had done nowt wrong, some probably had never even travelled, for the ones that did, did other parents use to check before they travelled abroad if they could still have the child benefit, when it was dished out to even more than 2 kids in a family, I bet no one ever checked as it wasn't means tested until 2013. This is why this **** happens, because ****s like you think it's ok, well it's ****ing not.

oh give over it's not like going on your summer holidays we are talking about exceeding 8 weeks .
oh and when they employed me they didn't know i was a **** they only cottoned onto that later on

 

[brb]

oh give over it's not like going on your summer holidays we are talking about exceeding 8 weeks .
oh and when they employed me they didn't know i was a **** they only cottoned onto that later on

Yeah they knew you was a **** alright, no doubt about that.

What do you mean give over, the point here is that over 197k didn't deserve to have their personal records checked for any reason whatsoever, just because some lazy **** couldn't be arsed and do the job properly, and instead blankets everyone until proven otherwise...that's not how fraud investigations should work, by means of big brother.

It's pure laziness, go and investigate the real fraud and do your job properly.

 

[brb]

I genuinly don't get why all this government snooping has become normalised and people happily accept it. It's not like we are seeing the benefits of it, because the people they should be going after they don't. So while Mrs. Smith is having her 2 weeks holiday checked this year, for the pittance of child benefit, our deputy prime minister was commiting tax avoidance of £40k I thought Labour were going after all the PPI stuff, how we doing on that to date, how many millions or billions are still missing. What about companies like Amazon, what we doing to deal with making them pay more tax....but **** yeah, let's go after Mrs Smith the lone parent with a kiddy to support, **** off with this bolloxs.

 

[Archers Road]

On a more serious note, was very little chance Rayner was going to survive this ‘tax error’

a standard has been set and finances of all MO’s should come under scrutiny as it did with their expenses scandal.

as a bloke across the Atlantic once said, drain the swamp and sort out these bad apples.

Thing is it was Labour that introduced new stricter standards for Ministers and MPs, after the press - having ignored Boris, Truss and rest of them having their snouts in the trough for years - jumped all over them about Starmer’s Arsenal tickets. The press have had it in for Rayner since day one because she’s a mouthy northern bird with attitude, and the Public School bastards who still own this country and own the press couldn’t have that. So they set the dogs on her, she left herself open, and now they’ve got their target.

 

[brb]

Whatever happened with all the billions debt associated with covid, it's like no one talks about it anymore, not even Labour. I never hear anyone saying well we can't afford this because of the billions owed from covid, it's like that blackhole mysteriously disappeared.

 

[Archers Road]

Whatever happened with all the billions debt associated with covid, it's like no one talks about it anymore, not even Labour. I never hear anyone saying well we can't afford this because of the billions owed from covid, it's like that blackhole mysteriously disappeared.

And no one even knows where the ****ing money went, no one kept track of it, no effort has been made to get any of it back.

 

[brb]

And no one even knows where the ****ing money went, no one kept track of it, no effort has been made to get any of it back.

Tbph mate, I thought Labour had promised to go after them, well that's certainly what I was hoping, that Malone woman, have I got the name right, and all the other shysters that benefitted from it. Trouble is Archers that requires proper investigation work, not sitting at a desk like Solid, in his SS uniform getting results off Mrs Smith who has just flown with Easy Jet on a £30 budget ticket. Now if Mrs Smith's husband had a super yacht, I might then agree, but we'd never know, because they would never leave the ****ing office to find out, they spend their whole lunch break at the Post Office trying to pay their vehicle excise, while brb is wheeling his new Tonka toys around.