This is Daily Mail numbers just for July 2025! It is the 141st biggest global website for traffic! Mobile users are now driving the traffic as well: Nearly 70% of their traffic comes from direct links (shares): If people don't like the Daily Mail then they need to stop linking to it. And yes I understand that is not applicable to your message the other day. I was just pointing out that you made me aware of it. In actual reading / watching / reach (not few second click throughs) however the common myth of "right wing press" fails to show through in the numbers. Top 6 only has the Sun and Mail as "right wing" with the lefty Beeb, Guardian, Indy and Mirror being the other 4! (June 25)
Careful guys, I sense you’re about to get a lecture on how we’re all missing the point about Frogface, and how he’s got his finger on the pulse, or something.
Populism. Define the problem in simplistic terms. Present it as black and white. Use emotive language and tell the population the existing system is ‘the swamp’ or ‘the elite’. Define life as them and us. Accuse the opposition of limiting ‘us’ in vague and misleading ways. Anytime under threat, make accusatIons.
From who? Everybody knows he's playing the game. Problem is the others won't even come to the table and will not address any issues instead ignoring them and letting them grow! The problem was and is always that they play the man not the ball. Pointless assuming people think he is a "man of the people" and then pointing out he is actually lord of the manor. Everybody knows he isn't their next door neighbour but he is doing a good job of presenting himself as actually listening and not just saying they are while actually preaching ignorance of the subject and belittling people. They need to talk policy because mud is not gonna stick to him, especially the sort of mud they envisage is gonna hurt his ratings. Everything they do is just preaching to the choir, back patting all round in the echo chamber and letting his ratings grow! Farage's "assent" is just the culmination of decades of arrogant politicians ignoring everything by thinking they can shame people into silence and consent. Even now we constantly hear a "Reform will implode" "Wait until they make a mess of these councils" NEWSFLASH: Reform have had already high profile internal problems. Didn't make a dent on the polling. And councils have been run by "experienced" established party folks for decades and it is already a mess! This hope will not come to fruition. If the reds blues ad yellows cannot come up with something more on policy and connect with the public and convince them of their sincerity on these subjects they are doomed. That's not to say they have to suddenly become right wing or anything but they have to stop pretending they are listening, stop pretending they care, stop thinking they can just use different words to convince people! that boat has sailed. Do I think it can be turned around? No, because for 30 years or more the shafting of the populace has been done out in the open, Politicians pretending things are not happening when the videos show they are and then official numbers and FOI requests show they are! I always talk of "corrections" I have done for a long long time and once something goes to far one way it always over corrects the other way! While people might get all warm and fuzzy about opinion polls showing that opinion on rejoining the EU has turned back the other way (it has) they should also take into account that the polls also show when asked about who should make policy on X, Y, Z they are even more overwhelmingly in favour of the UK government being solely in control of them and not an international body which counters the "rejoin the EU" argument. The same people in polls favour rejoining the EU but do not want the EU to make, dictate or have any hand in key policies that are part of being in the EU!
Ironic that the "bad right winger" is described as the black and white option when the whole attack of the left on any issue is "agree 100% or you are one of them" either / us. But then of course anything the right does is bad. The good guys....its different.........but it isn't! either/or. with us or against us! Is everybody in modern politics populist then?
A wise man once said: "This has been happening before the referendum was ever announced but now people are much more aware of it happening, see things they didn't notice before and yes there are more incidents. That does not mean that Brexit has caused this. Just that the lid has been taken off now. I have said on here early in this thread and on other platforms for a long time that opinion was simmering and that it needs addressing before it reaches boiling point. If anything by taking the lid off now and being able to deal with that simmering we have avoided an explosion further down the line when things boil over and it becomes very very difficult to deal with. This should all have been dealt with over the course of the last decade instead of being ignored. Ignoring something does not make it go away." ImpSaint:2016 Problem after that post is when the lid was removed to avoid the explosion TPTB aided by the minority of voters (as was) fought tooth and nail to put the lid back on and are still there now trying to seal it up permanently! What should have been a pressure cooker taken off the heat was immediately returned to the heat and the heat being turned up more and more and more! I fear it is too late now. Normal folks is gonna end up with nasty f*cks being opportunist more and more and more and inevitably a lot of the preverbial is gonna hit the fan! https://not606.com/threads/politics-thread.323930/page-150#post-9442696
No I am just saying your description of populism is exactly what all the politicians and their lackies have been doing for ages now. Are they all populists? or just the ones you don't like / have opposing views?
What a lovely simplistic view of politics you have. I wonder why you want to defend populism, which is a morally repugnant form of politics? Starmer has been accused of being too grey. Of admitting too much complexity to the political climate and not hailing his victories in layman’s terns, yet your approach is call his Labour populists. Clearly they are anything but. Corbyn’s manifesto was a revolutionary work. It offered the people a genuine route to change- but it is the pressure of the media which has simplified politics. That is not the same as being a populist party.
He has put his whole truth in Brexit was good. Which is interesting for someone who likes to post ‘evidence’ as there is no data whatsoever that shows we have benefited or will benefit in the future.
The narcissism of the England-bashers Hating your own nation is the highest form of self-regard. Patrick West Columnist 22nd August 2025 please log in to view this image It is often repeated that the late Roger Scruton coined the phrase ‘down with us’ to encapsulate the attitude of those who forever deprecate their own country and culture. Although there is no proof he uttered those precise words, like so many pithy epigrams, it captures a piercing truth. It is also a mindset that remains in rude health today. The propensity to self-flagellate about one’s own nation has long been a tendency of ‘progressives’. The eagerness shown by Birmingham City Council (Labour-run) and Tower Hamlets Council in east London (headed by the ‘democratic socialist’ Aspire party) in pulling down recently erected Union and St George’s flags is a case in point. But more wanton self-loathing has also been on display. The other week it emerged that civil servants working for His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) were invited to take part in an hour-long seminar on the ‘guilt of being British’, offering staff the chance to explore ‘the emotional weight of colonial history’. Then last week, Labour peer Thangam Debbonaire called for the removal of the statue of 18th-century soldier and administrator Clive of India from outside the Foreign Office. She said the ‘shocking’ representation of this bad man was ‘not helpful’ for modern-day diplomatic relations with India. Debbonaire joins the gallery of politicians and activists who have objected to statues representing individuals from Britain’s past, ranging from Sir Winston Churchill and David Hume to Edward Colston. This stems from the assumption that what most people did in the past was morally wrong, and that it is our duty to atone for their sins. Apologising for the perceived misdeeds of our ancestors has been with us for decades, but its two modern variants – ostentatious self-abasement by individuals, and a self-hatred that’s taught in schools and promoted by institutions – are particularly virulent and conspicuous strain Teaching children to feel ashamed of their country has been in slow ascendance for decades, accelerated in recent years by the rise of hyper-liberalism. The fashion for grandiose statements of ersatz guilt found an early overt manifestation in 2000, when Australian band Midnight Oil appeared at the closing ceremony of the Sydney Olympics to perform their trademark tune, ‘Beds Are Burning’, decked in black overalls prominently displaying the word ‘Sorry’. Both the song and the printed message referred to the violence of colonisation visited on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples by British settlers centuries before. Atoning for the crimes of one’s ancestors remains one of the easiest, most vacuous and mendacious gestures of our times. It is facile because breast-beating on behalf of someone else’s wrongdoing takes no courage compared with expressing remorse for one’s own failings. It is disingenuous because, while ostensibly an expression of humility, it is really a gesture of self-glorification. To apologise for the depravity of figures from the past is to declare yourself morally superior to them. To do so in front of the public or students is to convey the same message to people in the present: that you are a better person than them, too – more sensitive to the wickedness of people who are not you. Far from being a sign of meekness, remorse expressed as loathing of one’s own heritage is one of the highest forms of egotism and self-love.
Yes. We definitely shouldn’t question private businessmen who fought for an army of a business - The East India Company - and then ruled Bengal in a way intended to maximise profit at the expense of life. The Bengal Famine killed between 1-10 million people, and much of that is down to the enforcement of profitable farming practices and taxes levied by Clive. Clive himself said under his rule Bengal became a corrupt mess: “I shall only say that such a scene of anarchy, confusion, bribery, corruption, and extortion was never seen or heard of in any country but Bengal; nor did such and so many fortunes acquire in so unjust and rapacious a manner. The three provinces of Bengal, Bihar and Orissa producing a clear revenue of £3 million sterling, have been under the absolute management of the company's servants, ever since Mir Jafar's restoration to the subahship; and they have, both civil and military, exacted and levied contributions from every man of power and consequence, from the Nawab down to the lowest zamindar.” True Patriotism can see the flaws and strive for better. There is no need for shallow bombastic approaches to history.
Lots to digest there. I actually get some of it. I am not proud of some of the things that we have a nation done in the past, but I too do not feel the need to apologize. The main reason is that I wasn't there. I didn't do it. Another reason is that things done in the past were done under different times, values, knowledge etc. The important thing is to learn from it. Also what is deemed wrong now wasn't then in some cases. Let's ignore the elephant in the room (when I talk) of racism and talk about sexism for example. In the 70s and even 80s, it wasn't seen as wrong to wolf whistle a lady on the street or the norm to be a man as their boss. It wasn't even deemed wrong to have no women in the workplace. Over time, thankfully, women are seen as equals (lol some women would argue as 'betters') to men and rightfully so. Was it wrong as a young man in the 70s to wolf whistle a lady or not give them a job because they were female? No, at the time it wasn't but times change and we can now see that it was. We have learned from our past. What I am rather poorly trying to say is that times change and so do we as humans and we evolve to make the world a better place for all. Let's talk about flag waving. I would actually, in the ideal world, love to live in the environment in your picture - fluttering flags and a real feeling of being proud who we are. Unfortunately, we don't. Over the years in this country the flag has mainly been used as a weapon against all non Brits (read non white) people. The agenda is you can only fly the flag if you are white and hate all other colors and cultures. The symbol of a flag in most other countries is patriotism, here it is nationalism. It is used by the far right (note I said far right not right) as a symbol of whiteness and unconsciously superiority. Similar to Germany in the 1930s. Rather than the Union Jack or Cross of St George being a symbol of unity, it is a symbol of division. I don't actually think we should be stopped form flying the flag anywhere, I even couldn't give two hoots about all the roundabouts becoming red and white. What I do care about is that our flag has been hijacked by ignorant racists and is used against us as unpatriotic if we dont have one outside our house.
Oñe prediction You have got totally wrong is that Farage will be PM. Tories might be hovering at around 20% in the polls but their share will slowly increase as Reformesque voters get cold feet and feel the Tories as somewhat more trustyworthy than Reform. . IMO.this will happen. It might not be enough to.propel.them.to a. Lo outright majority so they will have to devise a legislative program that other parties will not oppose, something Theresa May should have thought about but didn't!
There is a distinct difference between debating the relevance of statues though. Why are these people famous? Clive of India is famous because he got VERY rich through bribery and corruption. He only won his famous battle by bribing the allies of the Bengal regime. He only has statues uo everywhere as he made about £30,000,000 in today’s money while Bengalis died. It isn’t unpatriotic to query how wealthy people have nominated themselves British heroes. That is not rejecting the idea the Raj had its benefits.
