Election 2024

[Sucky]

It’s impossible to smash the gangs mate. It’s a pointless soundbite that Labour are throwing out. It’s comparable with the war on drugs. You take one gang out and there’s 10 more ready to step in and replace them.

I disagree.

You start shooting boats, and cutting up any dinghys you see on the French coast.
Then you stop all migration.. all asylum claims and shut the business down that way, who's paying 7k a seat when not one boat got through in a month... not many and that will become less and less and less and as less get over here and are allowed to stay.

You stop all hotels, pocket money heathcare and the rest of the freebies they get given... you dash all them hotel fukers in a camp in tents and send them back by the day in navy boats and dump them back on the French.. god knows we've paid them enough
Then and only then will it stop.

Shoot the boats, stop the freebies, stop the chance of them staying here and watch them stop

 

[brb]

With the exception of January, all the channel migrant crossing numbers are up this year, compared to last. If that trend continues, this will give you an idea of the minimum numbers from 2024 to expect...

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So around another 20k to be expected. At 50 a week to return, I'll let you do the sums.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker

Talking of numbers, it was something I wondered if people actually knew what the monthly boat crossings were or if they only saw them when the media decided on it getting coverage?

It's quite mind boggling when you think there is another 20k to arrive yet this year. Where are we going to put them all, by the end of the year we will have had enough to fill Old Trafford or Spurs new gaff.

Let alone where is all the money coming from to give them the care they will need

I know it's small in comparison to legal migration but all the same it's pressure on already struggling local councils and infrastructure.

At some point someone has to say stop!

 

[Saf]

100% correct mate, so what you do is let it be less attractive to come here.

Agreed and to do that you need to be prepared to ignore the human rights act we keep hearing about.

As soon as they land, they’ve got to be deported in a matter of days. No hotels, no benefits, only basic rations and water until they’ve gone.

 

[Saf]

I disagree.

You start shooting boats, and cutting up any dinghys you see on the French coast.
Then you stop all migration.. all asylum claims and shut the business down that way, who's paying 7k a seat when not one boat got through in a month... not many and that will become less and less and less and as less get over here and are allowed to stay.

You stop all hotels, pocket money heathcare and the rest of the freebies they get given... you dash all them hotel fukers in a camp in tents and send them back by the day in navy boats and dump them back on the French.. god knows we've paid them enough
Then and only then will it stop.

Shoot the boats, stop the freebies, stop the chance of them staying here and watch them stop

That’s not smashing the gangs mate.

It’s protecting our borders. The gangs will still be operating, which I don’t care about as long as we make it impossible for them to send people here.

I don’t disagree with what you say apart from shooting the boats.

Stopping the boats is literally only half the problem solved for me. We also need a mass deportation of people that are already here because there’s simply too many here and social cohesion is at an all time low because of it.

 

[Diego]

Agreed and to do that you need to be prepared to ignore the human rights act we keep hearing about.

As soon as they land, they’ve got to be deported in a matter of days. No hotels, no benefits, only basic rations and water until they’ve gone.

That has to be proved to have been broken before intervention.
How can you prove that if someone comes here with no documentation of who they are or where they came from.

No documents, no entry.

 

[brb]

Anyway I'm ****ing off before Fosse comes back, having drunk another bottle of red and wanting to tell us all his war stories.

 

[Diego]

That’s not smashing the gangs mate.

It’s protecting our borders. The gangs will still be operating, which I don’t care about as long as we make it impossible for them to send people here.

I don’t disagree with what you say apart from shooting the boats.

Stopping the boats is literally only half the problem solved for me. We also need a mass deportation of people that are already here because there’s simply too many here and social cohesion is at an all time low because of it.

Raynor is trying to force councils to build around 150,000 new homes per year.
Given that the British population is dropping as a percentage year on year due to low birth rates (averaging 2 children per couple so population replacement and stability) it makes you wonder why we need them

 

[Diego]

Anyway I'm ****ing off before Fosse comes back, having drunk another bottle of red and wanting to tell us all his war stories.

 

[Saf]

That has to be proved to have been broken before intervention.
How can you prove that if someone comes here with no documentation of who they are or where they came from.

No documents, no entry.

Yep.

Refusal to tell us which country they’re from so we can dump them back there and they go without food and water until their memory comes back to them.

If they want to dig their heels in and die, that’s on them. They won’t, though.

 

[duggie2000]

Raynor is trying to force councils to build around 150,000 new homes per year.
Given that the British population is dropping as a percentage year on year due to low birth rates (averaging 2 children per couple so population replacement and stability) it makes you wonder why we need them

To house all the future Labour voters they are bringing in, same as Blair but nowhere near as subtle

 

[Gessa]

Personally from what I see from folk around me, even from very liberal minded people is, enough is enough, not because they hate or they want to see folk destitute but because they're seeing our infrastructure is at breaking point and its the situation of so many young males getting in, if it was more families coming through the correct channels they'd be still as tolerant as should be expected, these aren't white privileged people,its a broad (ish) spectrum of nationalities

 

[Diego]

Personally from what I see from folk around me, even from very liberal minded people is, enough is enough, not because they hate or they want to see folk destitute but because they're seeing our infrastructure is at breaking point and its the situation of so many young males getting in, if it was more families coming through the correct channels they'd be still as tolerant and these aren't white privileged people,its a broad (ish) spectrum of nationalities

The total lack of women or children is ****ing stunning.
We all know that in bad situations the civilised world take care of/get out of harms way women and children first.

 

[KingHotspur]

The total lack of women or children is ****ing stunning.
We all know that in bad situations the civilised world take care of/get out of harms way women and children first.

the civilised world?

America, UK, France or Israel?

 

[Diego]

the civilised world?

America, UK, France or Israel?

All of them from a gen pop point of view which is what counts in protecting loved ones/family.

 

[Saf]

Personally from what I see from folk around me, even from very liberal minded people is, enough is enough, not because they hate or they want to see folk destitute but because they're seeing our infrastructure is at breaking point and its the situation of so many young males getting in, if it was more families coming through the correct channels they'd be still as tolerant as should be expected, these aren't white privileged people,its a broad (ish) spectrum of nationalities

Exactly. It’s at breaking point.

There’s still a few so called liberals trying to play the racist card (even on this thread it’s happening) but quite clearly people have truly had enough, now.

It’s no longer a right wing issue rearing its head, it’s your average working class man, who is usually centre ground. They’ve had enough. It’s no wonder Farage is going to get in at the next election because these do-gooders are living with their heads up their arse and they just don’t get it.

The liberals need to **** off, frankly. It’s their attitudes that have prolonged this, but now they might as well talk to the wall with their racist shouts. Nobody is listening to them anymore.

 

[Diego]

Exactly. It’s at breaking point.

There’s still a few so called liberals trying to play the racist card (even on this thread it’s happening) but quite clearly people have truly had enough, now.

It’s no longer a right wing issue rearing its head, it’s your average working class man, who is usually centre ground. They’ve had enough. It’s no wonder Farage is going to get in at the next election because these do-gooders are living with their heads up their arse and they just don’t get it.

The liberals need to **** off, frankly. It’s their attitudes that have prolonged this, but now they might as well talk to the wall with their racist shouts. Nobody is listening to them anymore.

Strange coincidence this because i was talking to my big sis when i picked her up from work tonight and we got on the subject of people calling "racist" at anyone they dissagreed with.
She has the same views as me (and you from what i can tell) and we agreed that if bleeding hearts wanted to call us racists we would say fair enough if you think that i will admit it.
Couldn't give a **** anymore, this country needs to get it's priorities right,

 

[Welshie]

The issue with all this is the only party in the UK with any credibility when it comes to migration is Reform UK and I don't think anyone who actually follows politics has any belief they'll do anything meaningful to solve the problem.

I don't think Farage supping a pint and telling some French MPs to go **** themselves solves a thing, apart from that what does he even suggest we do?

OK, he has some relations with fellow right wing nuts, but who? Orban? Meloni? Trump? What will any of these people do to help Europes migration problem? Nothing.

 

[Diego]

The issue with all this is the only party in the UK with any credibility when it comes to migration is Reform UK and I don't think anyone who actually follows politics has any belief they'll do anything meaningful to solve the problem.

I don't think Farage supping a pint and telling some French MPs to go **** themselves solves a thing, apart from that what does he even suggest we do?

The supping a pint thing has been done by several politicians before him

You are right thougth, someone may come up with a manifesto/policy that many will like or agree with but in the end it will be watered down or kicked out by "popular opinion" bleeding hearts.
For me the old saying (although it sounds harsh) of charity begins at home should hold true.

 

[Saf]

Strange coincidence this because i was talking to my big sis when i picked her up from work tonight and we got on the subject of people calling "racist" at anyone they dissagreed with.
She has the same views as me (and you from what i can tell) and we agreed that if bleeding hearts wanted to call us racists we would say fair enough if you think that i will admit it.
Couldn't give a **** anymore, this country needs to get it's priorities right,

Yep. Totally past caring about the racist card. It’s meaningless.

People aren’t actually getting it about how much of a priority sorting this out is for the vast majority of the public and they try and quote how Farage will **** up the economy and the NHS. It shows how out of touch some people are.

If I was handed a choice now of…

1) Free healthcare and immigration continues as it is.

2) Pay for your treatment and the immigration problem is solved properly.


Bye bye, NHS.

 

[Diego]

Yep. Totally past caring about the racist card. It’s meaningless.

People aren’t actually getting it about how much of a priority sorting this out is for the vast majority of the public and they try and quote how Farage will **** up the economy and the NHS. It shows how out of touch some people are.

If I was handed a choice now of…

1) Free healthcare and immigration continues as it is.

2) Pay for your treatment and the immigration problem is solved properly.


Bye bye, NHS.

I actually laughed when i read this bit, what economy is left to **** up after Rachel from accounts has had her hands on it