The report that Labour, and all those who for some reason don't want a national inquiry, point to as being "already done" is the earlier one, hence why they keep on banging on about the Tories having sat on the report for 12 years. This is the report that Labour keep referring to, hence the "12 years, did nothing" which is a quote that has been repeated in this politics thread many times in the past year if you search back. https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downlo...-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham-1997---2013 The report you point to was an overall inquiry into all sorts of stuff and only briefly covered a small area of what we now know was on a unthinkably huge and widespread scale. The reason for needing or wanting a national inquiry into the grooming gangs is because of the sheer scale of what has been happening and still does to this day. And seeing as you want to point out that this inquiry has already been done (when it hasn't) did we miss all the announcements of who, where and what offiicals all over the place did and what justice they will face? Labour are very uneasy on this. Not just because of issues like sacking their own MPs from roles for calling it out but also because they have a former leader of Oldham Council and Telford Council now sat on their benches as MPs, who may or may not have known or been complicit so of course we can't say they actually were involved! and also because a vast amount of their local councillors or friends in the police services in mostly red wall towns could be found to have turned their backs and closed their eyes! The Jay "final report" in 2022 didn't bring anyone to justice. It just said "bad things happened, authorities must do better." So the anger is that it took eons to bring the grooming gangs in question to justice, if even most of them have been (how many more still to reach court?)....because of the people in power ignoring it. Not because they are mostly brown folks. Because the state's employees let it happen.........for years and years and years......and then anyone calling it out has been branded liars, racist etc. for asking Why? White grooming gangs (the Glasgow one) no such problem. That is how it should be, not silence and villifying victims or whistleblowers. It is one of the biggest cover ups of our time and it puzzles me that anyone cannot see that! Ahh. always been happening. fair enough. nothing to see here. Its a sad state of affairs when someone like you tries to toe the line by saying we wouldn't care if it were "predominantly white folks" doing it. But seriously. Do you not remember the weeks and months of clamour in the media, in politics, in public discourse. I daresay searching back there will be some here, but especially from people like Tom Watson who was like a dog with a bone when the false claims of Carl Beech claiming he was a victim of a "Westminster Set" of child abusers? So no-one cared when it was white folks? Even though they didn't exist, they obviously did care. The reason people are "a lot more bothered" for the vast majority is nothing to do with the skin colour of people doing it. It is to do with the fact that it was ignored, people were called liars, victims were called criminals, anyone calling it out was called a liar. Sarah Champion sacked from her shadow role for calling it out! This is much much bigger than "oh well, its always happened" or the left's usual retort (not on here thank god) of "Jimmy Savile - White!"
And before we hear all the talk of bandwagon jumping or "now you care?" blah blah: Me-2016: "This is the kind of problem Labour has. It isn't so much racist towards a section of society. It is suspicion that Labour ignores certain crimes or viewpoints in return for votes. It is this suspicion that has caused a rise in racism in this country and every party could do with getting all this stuff out in the open and not trying to treat these things differently because they are worried about offending. That "worry about offending" has been seen in many cases of "ignoring to get the block vote." AND "Wrong kind of victims and wrong kind of perpetrators. Gotta keep the bloc vote onside" https://not606.com/threads/politics-thread.323930/page-126#post-9411940 Check out the links there with headlines like this from Birmingham Live in 2014!!: West Midlands Police report reveals 75 per cent of known on-street child sex groomers are Asian Confidential report also says 82 per cent of victims, aged 14 to 16, are white or Me-2018: Labour itself isn't I agree but it is now controlled by Momentum who are. They also have some "moderates" like Naz Shah, who has a habit of re-tweeting anti semitic posts. Not just historically. She had to "apologise" again last year for one that could not ever be "misunderstood." One that stated the victims of the "Rotherham and elsewhere should shut their mouths. For the good of diversity" That statement was from a parody account but she "liked" and re-tweeted it. There is most definitely an anti-semite mood within Momentum and with a select few MPs that aren't associated with Momentum. That doesn't mean the bulk of the party are anti-semite though. The problem back then was it was being ignored for a reason. Here we are in 2025 with only a handful of gangs prosecuted and absolutely no authority or persons who made the decisions has been brought to justice! yet we hear from Simon Danczuk that when he was MP for Rochdale he was told to be quiet about it by high up Labour folks. He was actually pushing the then government for a supposed dossier that existed of Westminister politicians in relation to Child Abuse. It was actually one of the things that led to the 2015 inquiry. Not the "national inquiry" you think it was. It was an overall thing including Westminster politicians and their knowledge or indeed actual crimes. It even led to the public finding out that David Steel knew about Cyril Smith's crimes! Hilarious that he was then put out of his job for sexting with a 17 year old (not a crime) when his party was sacking people like Sarah Champion for calling out actual crimes. We even have just this week Dominic Cummings saying, with Michael Gove confirming today, that civil servants in Whitehall asked him (Gove) to suppress the story when the Times wanted to publish it. Gove says he told the Whitehall officials that he would not! There is gonna be a long trail. Not just from social workers (most of whom did try to say something) up to their seniors, from police that did not do their job, local politicians that ignored it and looked the other way right up to very senior people in the political machine like those that wanted a cabinet member to put pressure on a newspaper not to publish the truth!
Jesus you work damn hard to manipulate the evidence. First off, you try to say you were not wrong about the national enquiry. There is only one and only one which anyone has referred to - the one I linked. Any other response is a flat lie. It does matter that the clamour now is about ‘aliens’. You can deny it all you like, but no other incidence has had such public clamour and been hyped up by so much racial rhetoric. After church atrocities, we have never had a report saying religion is fundamentally at the heart of child abuse. Yet now that is what people want. After white gangs have taken poor kids into prostitution, consistently for at least a hundred years, nobody has demanded a public enquiry into the white underclass. Go read that enquiry you so readily dismiss. It is very thorough on how we protect all young people from abuse. It is very thorough about how we hold organisations responsible and ensure this is not possible. But that isn’t what you want. You want to go “I have been saying this since 2016. Naah naah nananaaa.” And you can’t even do it succinctly. Every decade has revealed children being systematically abused by people in power. Every single one. If it takes brown people doing it for us to finally end that, then fair enough. You can even celebrate it as some obscure victory over ‘wokeness’.
This is all there is on the "grooming gangs in the 2022 final report" The rest is into internet, church of England, Westminster, foster care, carehomes etc: This is a striking chapter header! But the whole report is a general. This country is disgraceful overall analysis of lots of institutions or practices but never dialled into just how widespread the grooming gang part was. It tends to focus more on institutions like boys homes, care homes, foster homes, the church, westminster and its biggie........the internet!
I realise at this point you don’t understand anything you are writing about. Were grooming gangs investigating themselves? No. The issue is not grooming gangs. The issue is the systems used to investigate the long term manipulation and abuse of young people, in any sector of society, and how and why they fail. Race is not enough of an excuse for these failures and their repetition through time. It isn’t race at the heart of this but a callous dismissal of the poor and of young women judged as prostitutes. Grooming gangs are not the problem. They are the symptom. I am very sorry you don’t get that.
That was not a national inquiry into this subject. It was an inquiry into all sorts of child sex abuse and if anything gave only small detail in terms of the grooming gangs. It zoned in on its main themes of institutions (carehomes, westminster, church of England) and the internet. it was an all encompassing final report.......compiling the results of 19 already published reports. Don't call me a liar. I am not manipulating anything. The timelines are there. the details are there. you can find them without resorting to calling someone a liar because you read a headline somewhere. The clamour is about the institutional cover up. You look for bad eggs all you want. The "public clamour" is because of resistence to investigating the cover up. Not because of the nature of who the perpretators are. That is a by issue. The reason this became so big and there is public clamour is because of the resistence and continued resistence even now to fully look into who let this continually happen. Church atrocities no clamour? So why was Wellby making wierd statements when he announced his resignation? Most of these are also in the public domain as soon as they are known! They are not hidden from view with anyone who mentions it being called a liar or racist or atheist? for bringing the subject up. I have read it. I'm reading it again now. lol. [/quote] No comment. Name calling would get me banned but you seem to be a mind reader. Not a very good one obviously, more of a **** but hey ho. nothing to do with me saying "since 2016." It angers me that on many issues in the past 10-20 years, everybody gets silenced with the "racist" or "bigot" label if they state anything, even in the case of Brexit actually telling politicians that they were systematically replaced by migrant workforces in the food industry to be told by MPs (Ed Milliband actually said it on TV) This did not happen. Thousands of people tell you it happened to them and politician says "no it didn't." I'm angry about the subject, not trying to prove a point, not try to get the nasty brown folks. I am more angry at our authorities that let such a thing happen for so long and continue to do so....on many subjects....because then on twitter or elsewhere those powerful people's followers parrot those lies in response to people saying what happened to them. You zone in on Brown people. seems its you whos obsessed with that angle. Most just want the system to be corrected and complicit officials brought to justice. The actual groomers should have been a given.
The weird thing is that the report you are still “lolling” about covers the stuff you SAY you care about. Systems. Failures. Responsibility. Clear ways to stop this happening again. The ONLY thing it doesn’t do is focus on Pakistani Grooming Gangs. At least be consistent, you ****.
I know what the report is. I have read it. IT is a "far reaching" accumulation of reports into multiple angles of societies problems and their failing in terms of child abuse. You say that race is not at the heart of this particular example of child abuse yet the councils themselves and Baroness Cass' audit and all sorts of whistleblowers over the past decade have said it is............but you say it is not? They all say that there was a culture of not wanting to upset a demographic. That people didn't want to be called racist. race has everything to do with it. The reason it took so long to get to prosecution is because it was all covered up for so long by either "well meaning but foolish" people not wanting to rock the boat both in terms of communities they worked in or were administering.........or rock the boat in terms of their own career advancement! either way that is not shocking. I assume they do have hearts and do care about human beings..........just that their careers meant more.
Can you read what I wrote again and respond to what I said and not what you have invented? This is tedious and poor faith debating.
Search my username for where I called these gangs that. Stop calling me names for your mind deciding what I mean all the time. The report does detail future ways to stop it happening. Still waiting for people to be brought to justice for the cover up though. Can't see any names in there.
And you will never get them from a national enquiry. That is a local level issue - and one that is incredibly complicated to unravel. It is a shame you have fallen into the optics over reality bubble. And all I called you was Four Asterisks.
Despite everyone on record, people that have since come out when they were previously silenced saying it was. It shouldn't have been but it was.
Which is what I said. Dear oh dear. Systems which are rigorous do not fail on one issue. The systems are at fault if race is enough to make them fail. Race is not the centre of this but systems that dehumanise poor young people.
Lol. I could say inquiry not enquiry but then I would be pedantic o if we don't need an inquiry into this, with plenty of people who tried to whistleblow, plenty of people to ask I suppose the police are deep into their investigations of "who done what" then and we can see some results soon?
No idea. But if you think you are getting what you want from another multimillion pound, ten year investigation, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
These are 2 different arguments. You think everybody is after this subject because "brown people did bad things to white girls" which of course in a small minority of minds it is however now that this is all in the open I expect that these cases are already being investigated and will eventually all come to prosecution. That is not where the argument is at the moment. The anger now is "why did those that could have done something, not do something" I have no idea what colour these people are. probably a representative mix? Maybe a little bi uner represented? The "dehumanising" aspect doesn't wash when people admit it was a fear of being called racist or didn't want to stir community tensions. From what I have read it is the perpretators themselves that dehumanised these girls seeing them as white trash and worthless so no-one would care. Those that should have helped didn't not do so because of dehumanising them. They didn't do anything either because they were told not to or led to believe nothing was happening or told it was the other way round. The worst example I have read though was a dehumanising aspect where a victim suggested that it had been described (I think by a policeman) as being consensual and not rape? But then we have so many policeman that don't know the law in this country it does not surprise me.
These inquiries take 10 years because it suits the corridors of power for them to take so long! No I don't want a 10 year enquiry. They already have the paperchain to follow. They already have the victims statements. The groundwork is done. Like everything else in this country things take a lot longer than they should and on purpose. go as far as you can with the inquiry to a point government can say to the police. Get this f**** investigated now. and if they can't trust the police to call out their own then get some other investigatitive unit to do it.
Imp, honestly you don’t understand this at all. I have worked in this sector and grew up surrounded by it. The dehumanising of young poor girls is done by ALL of us. It is cultural. I grew up on Derby Road. Every day I walked oast prostitutes to get to school. They were out by 7 am. I just called them prostitutes. You might call them drug addicts. No. These were the grooming gangs victims. Picked up from unstable homes. Shown love. Given money. Given drugs. Society glares at them. These are our victims. And the whole of British society is to blame. Strong systems cannot be circumvented by one issue. If we focus on race then another issue - homophobia, ableism - creeps in. We focus on systems and making them tight. The Jay report did that.
I read your next post as well before replying and the answer to both is; Are they investigating the complicit relevant peoples that could but didn't do anything about it then? Because we have not heard anything like that. Surely the media would have detailed that this was being investigated if it was. The report just seems to shrug off what has happened and made suggestions to stop it happening again. And you are a different person to me. I live in these kind of areas. I have always been a very down to earth person that mingles with "the scroungers" and those that mix in higher circles than I would like to. I know prostitutes and drug users. I might call them out for their bad habits but I don't dismiss them unless they are actually really bad people. I have always mixed with a very mixed bag of folks both when I was earning big as an accountant in my younger days and when I was packing eggs in my still young but not as young days. I do not look down on people unless they are really bad people! I disagree that British Society is to blame. As much as the media and many others like to focus on the nasty element that pounce on things as it suits their fight or reason to riot etc. Most of British Society does care. They are not to blame. They are not glaring at these girls. They are glaring at those that ignored it! I don't want to read too much into the small statement you made but you seem to think that the bulk of society has no empathy for people who make mistakes or get drawn into bad situations when the reality is that most people do care. While I do think Humanity has a fault of being greedy (which causes the problems the world is in financially) I do also believe (know) that most people are sympathetic and empathetic no matter how it may come across with their vocabulary be that language be derived from local terms or just lack of words but they very much do care about people. The part of society that seems not to care is the one that zones in on a minority of bad eggs out to cause trouble to continually dismiss any debate about anything that happens in this country and dare I say in the world. On all sorts of issues. They seem more focused on calling out the bogeymen, like they accuse the bad eggs of doing, rather than ever addressing an issue head on. 5% are racists so lets call the whole issue racist. That does not wash with the other 95% What you thought of them as a schoolkid doesn't really surprise me from an immature mind of a school kid. Do you think the same if you walk past them now as an adult? There are plenty of vulnerable people in this country. Not just girls, not just those with unfortunate upbringings or childhoods, not just addicts or drug users. This or something like this, maybe not the sex element but something, could take advantage of every one of us and we should not have to worry that if it is perpertated by a certain demographic or someone from a community in an area or even someone high up (like in the olden days of cover ups) where it going public could inflame tensions or cause problems at a higher level that we would be ignored by the system itself. Maybe the 2022 final report can put into action the safety net to stop future possibilities of something this big but I very much doubt it because every time they prosecute or are too late to prosecute the perpretators and fail to deal with the systemic failings. They can bring in all the recommendations they want but the same people are still in the same positions. Those that ignored are still there to ignore next time. Every few years we get another of these massive scandals. Has anyone been actually prosecuted for giving Jimmy Savile the access they did? I mean the people who knew? The only one it seems that is being investigated by the police to get the people who let something happen is a non sexual one as in the Post Office scandal. But for me to be able to trust anything setup to avoid "mistakes" of the past you first need to get rid of the people who allowed those mistakes to be made while they were fully aware that they were mistakes. These weren't just "sleeping on the job" failures. People knew they were happening and let them continue. They need to be rooted out for any new safety net to work.
