Well, if you're involved in sport, any sport, everyone gets humbled at some point. That wasn't the crux of my argument though.
I just don't see this as a meaningful competition in any way. I was pleased when we won the previous version because I do think that once you're in contention then you should try and win it. I think we probably agree on that but even though we won, I still regard it as a sideshow trophy.
It's always interesting reading other people's views, yours especially because I never know what you'll say next.

At least you engage and address the argument without taking other views as a personal affront. When you say you hold back sometimes, don't. I really enjoy reading your take on issues.