We need a manager that is tactical then we don't just have bring subs on at 70 min and then we are scrambling about in last 20 mins to score.
Farke must have a plan B
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That said corner goals should be about 10% in a season so that means we should get 4-5 goals in a season from a corner but I can only remember 1 struyk scoring it , can anyone else remember how many we scored from corners ?Well, thanks Aski for putting me right. Maybe I'm picking up lack of goals from corners as a percentage of the corners. Dunno, possibly I have the run-in doldrums again.
I bet if you look at teams with higher figures on headed goals you will find their strikers and players scoring those goals are taller players , we could do with not putting n
Midgets up front and I mean upto 6ft is a midget as regard to strikers , Dan James is small and I don't recall him scoring many from corners by heading it.
Whilst I am sure you are correct with that assertion, the thing is there are not that many clubs that have scored more headed goals than ourselves this season. Whilst I agree that if players like James etc were taller we would score more headed goals, how would that affect the goals we scored on the counter attack.
Maybe players like James do well in counter attack situations because of their small stature.
It's not so much that our first 11 needs to be taller, but when we are struggling to score, rather than substitute players that are all similar in build and style of play, taking of the likes of James, Soloman and Tanaka and bringing on 3 players who are all above 6 foot, would allow us to alter our style of play. This team has created and scored more chances than any other team in the league so something iiss working correctly. The problem is when it isn't working correctly, our options from the bench don't really allow us to change our style of play .
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OPTA disagrees with you Sniffer
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Derby are the best team for scoring from corners this season ,having scored 7 goals from 86 corners, so a conversion rate of 8.1%
I agree on most of that but our problem lies in defence and the goalkeeper situation , imagine been a defender at leeds doing all the right things then comes a moment in the game when pressure is on and you got to rush playing the ball back to meslier ? You can sense th e players have lost alot of confidence in meslier , every time he stretches up for the ball I'm worried he is going to drop it , defenders have enough to think about besides mess lier.
But that's a different argument though. You said we don't score enough goals from corners because our players are small and thus I gave my opinion regarding that.
The defence and keeper situation is a different argument and I'm sure most on here would agree with you concerning Meslier, but putting a different keeper in goal, won't help us to score more goals from corners though
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When was the last time Leeds scored from a corner?
Leeds last scored 'directly' from a corner in the Championship v Ipswich on Dec 23rd. We've taken 131 since then.13 Apr 2024
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Corners (home and away)
Matches of... GP Corners per match Total corners (Corners For + Corners Against)
For Against Total per match 8.5+ 9.5+ 10.5+
Blackburn 39 4.33 5.28 9.62
67% 56% 38%
Bristol City 39 5.62 4.15 9.77
62% 49% 38%
Burnley 39 5.41 3.74 9.15
54% 44% 31%
Cardiff City 39 4.77 4.82 9.59
54% 44% 33%
Coventry City 39 6.00 5.26 11.26
77% 69% 51%
Derby County 39 4.79 5.10 9.90
59% 56% 46%
Hull City 39 4.85 5.46 10.31
64% 62% 51%
Leeds Utd 39 7.28 3.13 10.41
77% 64% 51%
Luton Town 39 5.77 4.95 10.72
79% 64% 51%
Middlesbrough 39 5.13 5.05 10.18
69% 56% 46%
Millwall 39 4.77 5.26 10.03
64% 62% 44%
Norwich City 39 4.92 4.92 9.85
62% 51% 44%
Oxford Utd 39 3.69 6.79 10.49
67% 56% 44%
Plymouth 39 3.15 6.46 9.62
62% 41% 31%
Portsmouth 39 5.74 5.46 11.21
74% 64% 54%
Preston 39 4.03 5.23 9.26
56% 44% 33%
QP Rangers 39 5.15 5.67 10.82
62% 56% 51%
Sheffield Utd 39 5.26 5.23 10.49
69% 62% 49%
Sheffield Wed 39 6.41 5.05 11.46
85% 72% 64%
Stoke City 39 4.36 6.18 10.54
62% 54% 46%
Sunderland 39 5.33 4.49 9.82
67% 44% 31%
Swansea City 39 4.92 4.87 9.79
64% 46% 38%
Watford 39 5.31 5.28 10.59
74% 56% 38%
West Brom 39 5.59 4.74 10.33
67% 51% 46%
League average 66% 55% 44%
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But getting taller strikers would help get more goals , same as defenders getting taller defenders would help stop more goals against us .But that's a different argument though. You said we don't score enough goals from corners because our players are small and thus I gave my opinion regarding that.
The defence and keeper situation is a different argument and I'm sure most on here would agree with you concerning Meslier, but putting a different keeper in goal, won't help us to score more goals from corners though
Try taller strikers and strikers that attack the ball from corners , I hate to say it but captain calamity Cooper used to attack the ball from a corner and used to score by doing just that , not that I'm missing him
So firstly we don't score enough goals from corners and I give you some stats.
Next you say we should be scoring 10% of our goals from corners and I give you some stats from the company that all the media site uses, that's shows the number is around 3%.
You then say yes but it's Mes fault because our defence don't trust him. I agree but ask what does Mes have to do with scoring from corners
Now you change the criteria to score directly from corners and show stats that I believe shows the average number of corners each team in, the championship averages per game. Shows nothing to do with goals scored from corners.
So therefore you win Sniffer, fill the team with players 7 foot tall and let's play like Tony Pulis Stoke City, where we score 90% of our goals from set pieces
So firstly we don't score enough goals from corners and I give you some stats.
Next you say we should be scoring 10% of our goals from corners and I give you some stats from the company that all the media site uses, that's shows the number is around 3%.
You then say yes but it's Mes fault because our defence don't trust him. I agree but ask what does Mes have to do with scoring from corners
Now you change the criteria to score directly from corners and show stats that I believe shows the average number of corners each team in, the championship averages per game. Shows nothing to do with goals scored from corners.
So therefore you win Sniffer, fill the team with players 7 foot tall and let's play like Tony Pulis Stoke City, where we score 90% of our goals from set pieces
Glad to see you agree with me .So firstly we don't score enough goals from corners and I give you some stats.
Next you say we should be scoring 10% of our goals from corners and I give you some stats from the company that all the media site uses, that's shows the number is around 3%.
You then say yes but it's Mes fault because our defence don't trust him. I agree but ask what does Mes have to do with scoring from corners
Now you change the criteria to score directly from corners and show stats that I believe shows the average number of corners each team in, the championship averages per game. Shows nothing to do with goals scored from corners.
So therefore you win Sniffer, fill the team with players 7 foot tall and let's play like Tony Pulis Stoke City, where we score 90% of our goals from set pieces
As Brian clough once said ,
"We talk about it for twenty minutes and then we decide I was right." On dealing with a player who disagrees.ha ha LOL
lol, I don't agree, I just can't be bothered trying to answer what you ask, only for you to change the question when you don't like the answer
Also your opta percentage table does not even mention Leeds figures . So we cannot understand what your saying.But that's a different argument though. You said we don't score enough goals from corners because our players are small and thus I gave my opinion regarding that.
The defence and keeper situation is a different argument and I'm sure most on here would agree with you concerning Meslier, but putting a different keeper in goal, won't help us to score more goals from corners though
What answer when you put up a table that does not even mention Leeds its so weird.lol, I don't agree, I just can't be bothered trying to answer what you ask, only for you to change the question when you don't like the answer
The answer says that for every corner taken in the Championship this season by every team, on average only 2.9% of them have lead to goals. It also show that over the last 10 seasons the highest number of goals that have come from corners is 4.2% (in the 2019/20 season). (ie for every 100 corners taken, only just over 4 result in a team scoring a goal, and this doesn't mean just directly from corners, but includes knock downs and 2nd balls etc)
There was no reason to mention our club, you have already said we are poor scoring goals from corners. That data shows that every club in the championship is poor at scoring goals from corners, not just ourselves
.There is nothing special about our inability to score goals from corners. Just to clarify we have scored 7 goals from corners. We have had 284 corners, so our conversion rate is 2.4, compared to the average of 2.9. Thus we have scored about 9% of our total goals from corners given our total goals scored is currently 78.
If we had scored 1 more goal then we would be at the same average as the whole of the championship. If we had scored 9 goals then we would be above the average with 3.2% of goals from corners.
Also your quote that we last scored direct from a corner was against Ipswich in December 2023, thus being 131 corners ago, is historic data that is now incorrect. Given that we have had 284 corners this season, I think shows how out of date that stat is. Both Struijk against Sheffield United at home, and Joe Rodon at home to Derby have scored direct from the cross resulting from a corner.
Struijk has scored twice from corners, whilst James, Piroe, Rodon, Tanaka and Gnonto have all scored 1 goal that resulted from a corner this season.
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Direct from a corner means the ball is kicked at the corner flag and goes in without any of our players touching it , that's a goal direct from a corner , try reading things LOL end of storyThe answer says that for every corner taken in the Championship this season by every team, on average only 2.9% of them have lead to goals. It also show that over the last 10 seasons the highest number of goals that have come from corners is 4.2% (in the 2019/20 season). (ie for every 100 corners taken, only just over 4 result in a team scoring a goal, and this doesn't mean just directly from corners, but includes knock downs and 2nd balls etc)
There was no reason to mention our club, you have already said we are poor scoring goals from corners. That data shows that every club in the championship is poor at scoring goals from corners, not just ourselves
There is nothing special about our inability to score goals from corners. Just to clarify we have scored 7 goals from corners. We have had 284 corners, so our conversion rate is 2.4, compared to the average of 2.9. Thus we have scored about 9% of our total goals from corners given our total goals scored is currently 78.
If we had scored 1 more goal then we would be at the same average as the whole of the championship. If we had scored 9 goals then we would be above the average with 3.2% of goals from corners.
Also your quote that we last scored direct from a corner was against Ipswich in December 2023, thus being 131 corners ago, is historic data that is now incorrect. Given that we have had 284 corners this season, I think shows how out of date that stat is. Both Struijk against Sheffield United at home, and Joe Rodon at home to Derby have scored direct from the cross resulting from a corner.
Struijk has scored twice from corners, whilst James, Piroe, Rodon, Tanaka and Gnonto have all scored 1 goal that resulted from a corner this season.
My apologies Sniffer, I agree that scoring directly from a corner, means that the player who took the corner is the one who scores the goal, without any other player touching the ball.
However given that earlier in this thread you posted the following (I've highlighted the relevant part of that post), I presumed you were defining "direct from a corner" differently.
What makes that comment you copied and pasted more irrelevant is that we never scored "direct" from a corner against Ipswich. We took a corner, Piroe's header was saved and Struijk headed in the rebound.
Obviously given that we both agree what "scoring directly from a corner" means, then the comment you posted regarding the Ipswich game is totally superfluous as this goal does not agree with your definition
. In addition it is also outdated, given that the information you posted related to your search term "when was the last time Leeds last scored from a corner?" gives the answer December 2023, despite the fact we have scored 7 times from corners this season.Lol
No one in this thread has disagreed, that we struggle to score goals from corners, whether directly or indirectly. All my original reply to yourself on this subject suggested, was that having a team of tall player to score from corners as you suggested, may reduce the number of goals that we scored from other methods, as players have different levels of skills and talents.
However having players available on the bench that can offer something different to the 11 on the field would probably be a good idea, as that would allow us to vary our tactics in those few games where the game is not going in our favour.
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Cheers mate sounds like your actually enjoying my posts LOL After today's performance I'm hoping and praying we can do it but 1 win in 6 now is not good enough , I do like Solomon but he missed a sitter today and we could of got 3 points , roden looks knackered and struyk got injured so not good , hope we can get going just at right moment with only 6 games left if we can string 4 games wins together we could do it as Sheff utd could go on a losing streak now as they got millwall next. If ayling is playing for Boro on Tuesday let's hope he does an own goal to help us.My apologies Sniffer, I agree that scoring directly from a corner, means that the player who took the corner is the one who scores the goal, without any other player touching the ball.
However given that earlier in this thread you posted the following (I've highlighted the relevant part of that post), I presumed you were defining "direct from a corner" differently.
What makes that comment you copied and pasted more irrelevant is that we never scored "direct" from a corner against Ipswich. We took a corner, Piroe's header was saved and Struijk headed in the rebound.
Obviously given that we both agree what "scoring directly from a corner" means, then the comment you posted regarding the Ipswich game is totally superfluous as this goal does not agree with your definition
Lol
No one in this thread has disagreed, that we struggle to score goals from corners, whether directly or indirectly. All my original reply to yourself on this subject suggested, was that having a team of tall player to score from corners as you suggested, may reduce the number of goals that we scored from other methods, as players have different levels of skills and talents.
However having players available on the bench that can offer something different to the 11 on the field would probably be a good idea, as that would allow us to vary our tactics in those few games where the game is not going in our favour.
Our defence for lutons goal was useless nobody In middle of our defence roden gone AWOL so firpo had to go into middle leaving the luton player on left of defence to score. What a shambles and farke not changing our style of bring subs on at 70 mins , Luton did same so teams are sussing us out and farke has no plan B , such as being 0-3 up by 70th min as I think our players are now relying on the last 20 mins which is no good.