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Seems like the right place for Nick Caves latest musings.

We can speak beauty into the world or poison it with our words; we can build things up or tear them down; we can dream of a world that is vast, alive, and interesting, or reason it to be small, hard, and empty. "We are each an artist", said the poet, priest, and philosopher John O’Donohue, "We each possess an imagination. Everyone, whether they like it or not, is involved in the construction of the world". Every action we take and every word we speak builds or breaks the planet. We must approach the world as collaborators and willing participants in its preservation, and each other, Wallis, as friends.
 
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luvgonzo said:
Seems like the right place for Nick Caves latest musings.

We can speak beauty into the world or poison it with our words; we can build things up or tear them down; we can dream of a world that is vast, alive, and interesting, or reason it to be small, hard, and empty. "We are each an artist", said the poet, priest, and philosopher John O’Donohue, "We each possess an imagination. Everyone, whether they like it or not, is involved in the construction of the world". Every action we take and every word we speak builds or breaks the planet. We must approach the world as collaborators and willing participants in its preservation, and each other, Wallis, as friends.
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luvgonzo said:
Seems like the right place for Nick Caves latest musings.

We can speak beauty into the world or poison it with our words; we can build things up or tear them down; we can dream of a world that is vast, alive, and interesting, or reason it to be small, hard, and empty. "We are each an artist", said the poet, priest, and philosopher John O’Donohue, "We each possess an imagination. Everyone, whether they like it or not, is involved in the construction of the world". Every action we take and every word we speak builds or breaks the planet. We must approach the world as collaborators and willing participants in its preservation, and each other, Wallis, as friends.
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luvgonzo said:
Seems like the right place for Nick Caves latest musings.

We can speak beauty into the world or poison it with our words; we can build things up or tear them down; we can dream of a world that is vast, alive, and interesting, or reason it to be small, hard, and empty. "We are each an artist", said the poet, priest, and philosopher John O’Donohue, "We each possess an imagination. Everyone, whether they like it or not, is involved in the construction of the world". Every action we take and every word we speak builds or breaks the planet. We must approach the world as collaborators and willing participants in its preservation, and each other, Wallis, as friends.
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Laughing at the rumors of Canada talking about joining the EU- that would really piss off Trump! <laugh>
 
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We should get China and Russia to join the EU too lol
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Joking aside... the way Russia was heading pre-Putin it probably would have been a great addition to the EU. It looked like it was heading for democracy and westernization. Russia could have been a peaceful, prosperous nation and ally if it didn't get hijacked by Putin. There's still hope after Putin is gone... one-day.

The whole idea of the European Union at it's conception was ending wars in Europe... what better way than getting the last power on the continent to join. As an EU citizen myself (not that I've spent more than a week in Hungary in my life), I would welcome Russia to the fold if it managed to become a legitimate democracy.
 
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Milk.. said:
Joking aside... the way Russia was heading pre-Putin it probably would have been a great addition to the EU. It looked like it was heading for democracy and westernization. Russia could have been a peaceful, prosperous nation and ally if it didn't get hijacked by Putin. There's still hope after Putin is gone... one-day.

The whole idea of the European Union at it's conception was ending wars in Europe... what better way than getting the last power on the continent to join. As an EU citizen myself (not that I've spent more than a week in Hungary in my life), I would welcome Russia to the fold if it managed to become a legitimate democracy.
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Putin wanted all the benefits of European democracy, trade and even wanted to join NATO in the early 2000's. He wanted an invite from NATO, but was told that Russia would have to apply like all other nations. Putin thought he could be fast tracked into NATO, but seemingly got pissed off that he was told to join the queue like everybody else.

Since then, he's taken Russia on an isolationist, expansionist route, trying to recreate some kind of Stalinist USSR where other nations are conquered and assimilated into Russia.

This is why I don't give much truck to the argument that he has a right to be upset with NATO expansion up against his borders. He could have been a part of NATO, but chose to be the aggressor, therefore NATO has the right to protect itself, and those countries that border Russia have a right to join a defensive alliance to protect themselves against Russian aggression.
 
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