Trump blaming diversity hiring for the Washington crash ffs There’s no low this **** won’t stoop too. Literally as they are still pulling bodies out of the Potomac, he’s spreading his own warped conspiracy theories about what he thinks happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvmdm1m7m9o.amp
I was confused until I remembered,,,,,,, This was before the lying bastards were elected Once a Labour politician, always a Labour politician
That Washington air crash, imagine the trauma that the air traffic controller must be going through, especially with your president enticing a witch hunt. It does make me wonder if Trump already knows the identity of the air traffic controller, because he's going to look pretty fooking stupid if it don't fit the demographics he banged on about yesterday. Shocking really.
That was my thought from the outset ... Trump needs locking up for comments like that - poor ****er will likely be getting death threats ...
**** is about to hit the fan...an air traffic controller went home early on the night of the crash, leaving a single controller handling the plane and helicopter traffic. Pretty sure Trump will be behind the release of this news though.
Oh hang on....Trump blaming the helicoper on Truth for flying too high, saying that's not difficult to understand is it?....maybe he just realised it was his policies that cut air traffic controller numbers.
I would imagine that he hasn’t got a ****in clue who the controller was and is just spouting off, using a tragedy to try and push his warped agenda. Like fosse says, that controller will now be at risk from Trump’s nutter followers. What Trump has also failed to mention, was that his buddy Elon forced the FAA leader to resign earlier this month for daring to ‘meddle’ with Space X ‘Musk’s anger grew from commercial interests including competition with Boeing for government contracts. In 2022, the FAA fined Starlink, a SpaceX subsidiary, for violations of safety protocol. Musk also said the agency needed “radical reform” and complained that it was “harassing SpaceX”. In September 2024, Whitaker proposed fines of more than $600,000 for SpaceX, over alleged violations of its government license in two rocket launches.’ Musk, the world’s richest person, worth more than $400bn, said: “He needs to resign.” When reporters asked Trump if the FAA was currently leaderless, he simply walked away
You seem to have gone off on one, where I was chatting about the latest news regarding the air crash. If you keep up, I'd already said the president was enticing a witch hunt.
My brother is an air traffic controller. And staffing levels in the UK are low too. He said that controller unions have been pressing govt for years to increase numbers as they’ve been increasing air traffic. He also said it’s not uncommon to find one controller working two different areas of airspace. But he said what is different in the UK is that the comms between controller and aircraft to ensure separation would be a lot more detailed. So in this case where the controller has asked the helicopter if he’s got a visual on the aircraft. In the UK the controller would speak to both aircraft, make sure they have got a visual on each other and make sure that they have both identified the correct aircraft. That said, the US controller is not at fault here, he’s just following US protocols, but he also said that a lot of the same protocols for managing helicopters crossing finals are the same in the UK. He’s at Cardiff airport and works commercial air traffic as well as police and coastguard helicopters
I’m just expanding on what you were saying and giving some context about what’s been happening in the FAA
I thought I'd heard yesterday, that in America ATC are not allowed to discuss military aircraft positions with commercial pilots, and although you can hear them briefly doing so in the transcripts, it was a breach of protocol - no idea myself, just heard this briefly mentioned just the once. Although thinking about it, I don't know if the AA pilot could hear that.
It depends on whether it’s controlled airspace, which around an airport it absolutely will be and all aircraft will be under the management of the airport controllers. I think part of the problem here is that the helicopter was flying under Visual flight rules, so the controller could only relay instructions under what the pilot could see. Whereas the aircraft would have been under instrument flight rules which makes the controllers job easier to maintain separation. My brother was saying that there is a culture in the military of ‘we know best’ and often have an assumed right that they can go where they want. He told me about a time where HMS illustrious had rocked up in the channel just off of ilfracombe. They’d phone the tower at Cardiff and told my bother that they were going to be launching and he told them they couldn’t because it would be right under his finals into the airport, and it would set off TCAS apparently they got really upset that a civilian controller was telling them what to do and argued it. In the end, my brother told them if they wanted to do it, they would have to give him prior flight plans and timings about their launches, so they just decided to **** off a few miles further out into the channel and do do their own thing anyway lol. Not saying the US helicopter pilot was ignoring ATC in this case, but just outlining how my brother described the military culture when dealing with civilian controllers.
Yeah I understand what you and your bro are saying and agree. Maybe it's just my gut instinct, more than what the media has said, but I got undertones of we know best with the military in all this. It was either we know best or the helicopter was on a suicide mission - I don't mean that to sound so crass, but it's just my logic thinking wtf are you doing there. For me with the little we know, my thoughts currently are that ATC and the commercial pilot did nowt wrong. Yeah yeah we can always pull apart events, but I'm looking straight at the helicopter being responsible, I just don't know the reason...ie did something happen onboard the helicopter prior to the crash.
I think it will come out that it was error from helicopter pilot, and I think it will be because they were on visuals, identified the wrong aircraft and thought they had separation. But I'd also imagine that they will be looking at the staffing levels in ATC too and probably the general culture around comms between civilian controllers and military traffic. But that's just my best guess. You never know, the flight recorders might throw up something that we don't know, but I'd imagine they will both show normal flight patterns and comms until the impact. I just hope Trump shuts his ****in mouth about it and lets the accident investigation unit get on with their job, because he's already tried to blame the controllers on the back of his agenda against diversity, the prick.
Trump is really, really into online conspiracy stuff. I presume because he's not very technologically literate and 78 years old. He has fallen for online conspiracy theories many a time and he has absolutely no problem in started a witch hunt. It's the thing I hate most about him tbph. I think the rest of his stuff is noise, he just likes bluster, but when he waddles out of his office and makes ridiculous statements that could endanger an innocent persons life, he needs to be told to stfu. surrounded by pussies tho inhe
