Wasn’t the question. the players were never ever ever signing new contracts on day 1 slot arrived. so are you saying the club should have sold all 3 in the summer?
Obviously they should have been given a serious offer and see where they are at. I'd have given a 1st August serious deadline to see the whites of their eyes. It's fairly clear that this has lifted far too long and we are up against a wall now. The exact same contract will have to be offered but the players can now shrug and say psg, real or Saudis have offered this. You clearly don't value me. 2/3 years ago we had the same talk about salah. 150mil. Sell. No problem but his numbers have stayed high and he's been worth every penny paid. At this point the equation is 350k a week for 2 more years of this? It's fairly certain at least 1 of those seasons won't be an issue barring injury. I don't know what he is demanding but even debate the contract length. Vvd is the same. You'd get another 3 or 4 years out of him fairly OK. It's not rocket science. Why even let it get that far. I'm certain there's no way he turns down a good contract last summer. Trent is trent if he wanted to go then and turned it down I'd have had him gone and you all know that. I'd still have him gone on new years day. To let him run it down is negligence l.
This is like talking to a politician. I’ll ask again Given none of them were signing a contract on day 1, you suggesting all 3 should have been sold in summer window?
Your premise is false. Given none of them were what? How do you know? How do we know that any offers were ever made as far back as 2 years ago? As I said. Again. I'd have set a deadline and made a real offer with a deadline to see where this was really at and then acted accordingly. Trent would have been on the first bus out of here. Vvd imo has no intent of going anywhere and as I've stated many times salah wants his two girls to stay in England for their education. They have settled residency but he can't leave or they lose it. I'd not have risked losing anyone on a free and if I really got a hard no on all 3 then moves would have to be made. Btw. Vvd said he got no offer. That means he got no offer in the summer or before to my mind. Salah has said what he has said so it's bloody clear he wanted an offer so I assume he's not had one thsts anywhere close. This has now dragged on 2 months. **** or get off the pot comes to mind but this should have occurred last summer.
Like I said thought. Why would any of them sign on day 1 of slot joining? What if after 10 games we’d have won 3 of them. What is at this stage of the season we were in 10th and was talk of manager leaving. You’d think all 3 would have signed up for new contracts knowing that was a possibility and then being tied to the club? They were always going to wait and see what happens. I’d do the same. Every player would do the same.
Again. False premises. You have decided none would sign anything "day1" In fact none were offered anything
If one of the three are with the club this time next year, I'll consider that a win. If two of the three are, that's great. If four of the three are, I'll be confused.
Why would they sign? It’s common sense that as soon as Klopp informed would be leaving, not one of those 3 would sign a new deal until saw who manager was going to be and how things would pan out with him in charge.
There’s no way we should be 2 days away from the 1st Jan and have these 3 players being able to sign pre contracts with other teams. Regardless of whether they were waiting so see what Slot was like as a Manager/person, his tactics etc our first premier league match was 17th August. That’s plenty of time for them to make up their mind, and there’s no excuse really not to have had the contracts sorted out. It’s obvious Mo & Virgil want to stay. Contract renewals shouldn't take more than a month at max to sort.
I don’t care who you are, allowing 2 of this years potential ballon d’or winners plus the best RB in the world’ leave on frees in the same year is gross misconduct. They won’t all leave though.
Money. I'm saying the club should have taken that out of their hands. It was poor from fsg to have klopp with smacked arse running everything and it was poor that they ran straight back to Edwards and ward who now have some made up jobs thst don't actually do anything bar sit between fsg and whatever football clubs their deign to own next. They appointed Richard Hughes on the 20th of March. He has had from that time to imo August 1st to sort these contracts and didn't. He should have put a real offer down to all 3 and assessed it then. Players can say what they like about wanting to see what slot was like or what the club ambition was but for the club getting cash in to pull off another gravenberc, szoboszlai, macallister window would be important. As it stands we could have sold trent for a vast sum still last August. We could have seen the whites of their eyes. Instead the club has allowed this to drag and fester to the point where all 3 can now announce pre-contract deals in a few days time and there's not one thing the club can do. Once these come out we will get the usual spin on a disasterous situation and some will no doubt buy that too.
The only hope for me is the club are trying to get into a new financial year or something stupid. Any rational dof would be signing vvd up on 250k if that's what is required as it's patently obviously he could run for 3 or 4 years still and even when he can't he can stand and head it all day. The fact he hasn't even tried to tells me loads. Any sane rational dog would be tolds by the financial director exactly what salah image rights mean to us and would have got a deal done. Now salah again has residency in England and his children and very important to him. He won't send them to dubai for schooling and back to Egypt for marriage that was he is quite happy for them to be well educated at the best private schools here. I wouldn't be shocked to see salah in a Newcastle kit if we continue to force his hand even though he has said lfc is his English club. Again no other club has an open rw slot for him in spain that would interest him and psg are psg. Salah could be a deal to be done.
Agreed. The mistake was not attempting to sign them up BEFORE the Klopp announcement. (We may well have tried though, plus the players probably knew before we did anyway) The Klopp announcement happened too early anyway; we were great immediately after but there was a clear deterioration towards the end of the season. The Trent situation is interesting. I've very much been in the "he'll stay" camp but I'm leaning more towards "he'll leave" now. It's the timing of the announcement that I find intriguing; Real Madrid will want to announce it asap, whereas Trent will want to keep it quiet as long as possible to keep fickle fans off his back. Really is, Trent will get done stick regardless unless there is an announcement that he's signed a new deal.
Still disagree with everything. Not one of those players are signing a contract between the time Klopp said he was leaving and slot being appointed. They are all then waiting to see how slot gets in and also the management team need to assess if they still want those players. you can put down contracts in front of them but not one of them would have signed. Would have been mental to do it. The only other option was sell all 3 in the summer and that would have been disastrous for the whole club and slot and we’d have been in a situation like spurs and city where we are fighting for a top 4 position with fans on Slots back saying not sure if he’s right manager etc. Also you’re banking on 3 clubs coming in and bidding for all 3 with some kind of reasonable fee. Who is spending huge money on those 3 with a year left - and whose to say they would actually want to leave when they know if things go badly this year they can walk away for free and get a huge wage and signing on fee this coming summer. Yes over last few months would have been nice given vvd and Salah saying want to stay and the club doing well to have got this resolved prior to January. But we don’t know what has/hasn’t been offered so can’t judge properly. But my point remains between Feb 2024 when Klopp said he was going and sept/oct this year when slot had managed a few games, was absolutely no chance any of those players were signing a contract
Ultimately, none of us know any details. Nothing. The very people who were astute enough to sign Slot are in control so we have to trust that they will do what is best for the club, while the players and their agents, will do whatever is best for themselves. I truly hope that there is middle ground but the club will do what they believe is right for the future of the club. Whether we like it or not tbh.
So you are saying if you pit 250k under vvds nose with 3 years in it I wouldn't sign it? You are saying salah wouldn't sign for 350k a week? OK then.its a good job we didn't embaress ourselves by making and offer and we can console ourselves with our dignity being intact when their new clubs are announced. The reality is we still after 9 months of Hughes offer one of them a deal. Its way past defensible.
No we don't need to trust them. We need to look at thier actions. Thus far no offers. You cannot say the players have not at least had their agent communicate some package wishes. That alone says we are willing to implode the club rather than pay up as we now have a zero cash situation and need to find about 200mil for transfers that we don't have
Reality? Are you claiming to have inside knowledge? We only know what we are told. You off all people should follow that lead consider your approach to rumours. The club only make announcements when there is something to announce.
Yes. Highest paid at the club VvD on £220,000, 2nd Trent on £180,000 Reports say club have offered TAA, 250,000. But he is looking to match Salah.
