Labour kick another group in the crotch. They voted for it being paid when they were in opposition. How can anybody trust these lying parasites.
Total silence.
Total silence.
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I believe the tory crooks £22 billion black hole may have something to do with this... it's been costed at £5 to £7 billion and letters were sent. Corbyn said on newsnight last night that what if the letter wasn't received?
They knew of the £22 billion black hole before they lied their way into power, the same as everyone else in government.
Don’t forget it was you who voted them in.
Inflation up again. 8 month high. Not many positive indicators for Reeves. Never mind she says, I havent increased tax on working folk 
What an utter shambles this lot are. Must be the worst lying group of MPs ever to get into power.
Total silence from the labour luvvies and those who speak out whoever is in power
All to busy having a go at Boris and Farage still
Total silence from the labour luvvies and those who speak out whoever is in power
All to busy having a go at Boris and Farage still
I did, and I still think he is too honest to succeed in politics, and still do. You get what you vote for , at least that's what they tell us.
No they didn't. As you know fine well.They knew of the £22 billion black hole before they lied their way into power, the same as everyone else in government.
Don’t forget it was you who voted them in.
I wonder how any other party would have done in charge? Mot a political expert at all, but do we have a leader capable of running the. Country and keeping everyone happy? Absolutely not!
Taking the winter fuel payments off the elderly. Not good, but ffs when people driving brand new jags and mercs are the ones complaining, something is wrong!!
Taking the winter fuel payments off the elderly. Not good, but ffs when people driving brand new jags and mercs are the ones complaining, something is wrong!!
I haven’t saw anyone driving new mercs or jags complaining but even if they are, are you blaming old folk who could freeze to death this winter for them being greedy bastards.
No. I’m saying it should be means tested. I have seen people driving £40k + cars who then slate the government for this. I know people who do that.
Those who freeze to death because they cannot afford it is a different argument. I didn’t say it was a good thing, just that some people complaining about but don’t actually need it.
as for “greedy bastards”, aren’t they all?
It is being means tested.
The ones now who are moaning aren’t the rich or the ones who are getting it, it’s the ones who still need it.
If they didn't,they're incompetent and negligent. Everyone else did....it was ****ing obvious,which is why they got voted in with a landslide.
From that same article, the figure is still up for debate as it includes spending pressures after the OBR forecast which the Tories knew about. It also includes some added by Labour.
Nothing is black and white, especially in government finance reporting. What is obvious is we were and are in a worse position than possibly both main parties previously thought...hence the requirement for tough decisions. It was always going to happen no matter who was in power (unless they were being incredibly irresponsible).
It is true that the OBR review does not confirm Labour’s £22 billion figure, but the £9.5 billion figure referenced in the review does not necessarily prove that the £22 billion figure published by the Treasury under Labour is incorrect either, and the OBR did not say that the government “made up” this figure, as has been claimed.
This is because Labour’s figure includes pressures which were identified after OBR prepared its forecast and so were beyond the scope of the OBR’s review. (This includes pressures that emerged while the Conservatives were still in government and some which were linked to decisions taken under Labour—for example, its decision to accept 2024/25 pay award recommendations in July).
In its response to the OBR review, the government said that the total additional pressures facing government departments increased from the £9.5 billion identified ahead of the March 2024 forecast to £16.3 billion at the time of the Spring Budget, before further increasing to £21.9 billion “by the time of the General Election”.
Starmer stood in parliament earlier this year before the General Election, around April iirc, and claimed there was a £40bn black hole…
Hasn’t it transpired since that £10bn of this £22bn “black hole” was actually the civil servants payrise?
They also refused a freedom of information request asking for a breakdown of where their suggested £22bn came from…
https://www.ft.com/content/7f686444-7036-4efc-82c5-971b0f3929fa
Bollocks, I didn't know anything about the tory crooks hidden books, and neither I believe did Labour