The continuing brave, fun adventures of Russell Martin

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Martin out?

  • Right now, he's worse than Guardiola

    Votes: 105 89.7%

  • Give him one more game

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • Give him until next international break

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • Stick with him, he'll turn it round

    Votes: 7 6.0%

  • No point in sacking now, wait until end of the season

    Votes: 3 2.6%
  • Total voters
    117
Saintmagic said:
I’ve said before that I think Martin would be getting plaudits if he had a better squad.

So I guess it depends on your view. Is a good manager someone who adapts to the situation and changes his style based on the ability/talents of the squad.

Or is it someone who has a set of principles they stick to and, when they work, are successful and (to some) appealing to watch, resulting in dominating games.

I remember an interview with Pulis when Stoke got promoted he spoke with Alex Ferguson. Ferguson said to him you have no chance of staying up with your squad playing football, the best hope you have is to make the Britannia a fortress and ****ing horrible to play in. If any opposition manager praises you for your style of play after a game then you’ve ****ed right up

So they let the grass grow long, they brought in Delaps long throws and they made the pitch as narrow and as short as was allowed and they made it horrible for much more talented teams to play there. Wenger even got a rule changed because of Stoke and the maximum length the grass can be is shorter now.

We roll out the red carpet and try and outplay far more talented sides than us, top managers are fluffing Martins ego before and after games and look where it’s getting us. Stoke are obviously an extreme example but I think the general point is valid. You have to adapt when you aren’t as talented, and we aren’t
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When another manager compliments ours after a loss I see it as a mark of disgrace. Like a condescending older sibling or cousin ruffling your hair and saying ‘At least you tried’.

Martin should be feeling that way too, but unfortunately it’s probably going straight in the **** bank.
 
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From the Swansea forum. Definitely doesn't sound like the Premier Leagues most "nearly there" manager....

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Saintmagic said:
I’ve said before that I think Martin would be getting plaudits if he had a better squad.

So I guess it depends on your view. Is a good manager someone who adapts to the situation and changes his style based on the ability/talents of the squad.

Or is it someone who has a set of principles they stick to and, when they work, are successful and (to some) appealing to watch, resulting in dominating games.

I remember an interview with Pulis when Stoke got promoted he spoke with Alex Ferguson. Ferguson said to him you have no chance of staying up with your squad playing football, the best hope you have is to make the Britannia a fortress and ****ing horrible to play in. If any opposition manager praises you for your style of play after a game then you’ve ****ed right up

So they let the grass grow long, they brought in Delaps long throws and they made the pitch as narrow and as short as was allowed and they made it horrible for much more talented teams to play there. Wenger even got a rule changed because of Stoke and the maximum length the grass can be is shorter now.

We roll out the red carpet and try and outplay far more talented sides than us, top managers are fluffing Martins ego before and after games and look where it’s getting us. Stoke are obviously an extreme example but I think the general point is valid. You have to adapt when you aren’t as talented, and we aren’t
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I agree with some of this.

He is inflexible and making all those mistakes.

However, I strongly disagree with one part: I sincerely doubt he would do much better with a better squad. His teams are way too open. He can’t coach a defence or set up a midfield which is needed to be a top, top side.

I think this is by far the highest he will ever manage.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
I agree with some of this.

He is inflexible and making all those mistakes.

However, I strongly disagree with one part: I sincerely doubt he would do much better with a better squad. His teams are way too open. He can’t coach a defence or set up a midfield which is needed to be a top, top side.

I think this is by far the highest he will ever manage.
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So how do you explain last season? We had undoubtedly one of the top squads in the league and he got us promoted. I agree with your previous comments that a better manager/different style would’ve got us top 2 (and said it multiple times last season) but he still ultimately had a successful season and got plaudits because of it. I feel that would be the same if he was managing like a Spurs or something. The key is it needs to be a side who is better than the majority of the league

Whether he’ll ever manage higher than us, you’re probably right. I’d imagine a top end Champ team would look at what’s happened to us this season and stay away and he’s not getting a PL job unless some owner is completely enamoured with his style and thinks he can make it work with better players. Which is exactly what Wilcox said when we hired Martin
 
I’m late to the party but I’m now watching Ted Lasso. I can see some similarities with RM, especially when, in the first series, Ted took his best player (Jamie Tartt) to one side during training and told him that he should have passed the ball, despite him having beaten a player and scored.
Playing a false 9 in the last and biggest game of the season (series 2) despite never having used it before.
Being far too friendly with the players.
Have Ted and Russ ever been seen in the same room together?
 
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San Tejón said:
I’m late to the party but I’m now watching Ted Lasso. I can see some similarities with RM, especially when, in the first series, Ted took his best player (Jamie Tartt) to one side during training and told him that he should have passed the ball, despite him having beaten a player and scored.
Playing a false 9 in the last and biggest game of the season (series 2) despite never having used it before.
Being far too friendly with the players.
Have Ted and Russ ever been seen in the same room together?
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Spoiler - the end of season one is probably quite similar for both of them as well.
 
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All of us football fans who loved the championship season, loathe VAR and don't give a **** about the premier league - how did you think we were going to get back there. Losing every game is the only way sadly. Suck it up is my advice. If we get relegated, look forward to next season because if by a miracle we change and stay up a la Mark Hughes we only have more misery to look forward to.
 
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San Tejón said:
I’m late to the party but I’m now watching Ted Lasso. I can see some similarities with RM, especially when, in the first series, Ted took his best player (Jamie Tartt) to one side during training and told him that he should have passed the ball, despite him having beaten a player and scored.
Playing a false 9 in the last and biggest game of the season (series 2) despite never having used it before.
Being far too friendly with the players.
Have Ted and Russ ever been seen in the same room together?
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Love Ted Lasso!

Believe.....
 
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Shandy_top_89 said:
When another manager compliments ours after a loss I see it as a mark of disgrace. Like a condescending older sibling or cousin ruffling your hair and saying ‘At least you tried’.

Martin should be feeling that way too, but unfortunately it’s probably going straight in the **** bank.
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Just heard on the grapevine that SR are going to let the club sink this season, then sweep up a massive pay day from the sale of Dibling, THB, Fernandes, Ramsdale and KWP, followed by a quick sell up for peanuts and move on to find another unsuspecting club to get rich on.
 
saintkeef said:
Just heard on the grapevine that SR are going to let the club sink this season, then sweep up a massive pay day from the sale of Dibling, THB, Fernandes, Ramsdale and KWP, followed by a quick sell up for peanuts and move on to find another unsuspecting club to get rich on.
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<laugh> How would doing this get them rich? They must’ve lost millions on their investment so far
 
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saintkeef said:
Just heard on the grapevine that SR are going to let the club sink this season, then sweep up a massive pay day from the sale of Dibling, THB, Fernandes, Ramsdale and KWP, followed by a quick sell up for peanuts and move on to find another unsuspecting club to get rich on.
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We won't make any money on Ramsdale, kwp will be a free agent. Where do people get these stories from?
 
saintkeef said:
Just heard on the grapevine that SR are going to let the club sink this season, then sweep up a massive pay day from the sale of Dibling, THB, Fernandes, Ramsdale and KWP, followed by a quick sell up for peanuts and move on to find another unsuspecting club to get rich on.
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saintkeef said:
Just heard on the grapevine that SR are going to let the club sink this season, then sweep up a massive pay day from the sale of Dibling, THB, Fernandes, Ramsdale and KWP, followed by a quick sell up for peanuts and move on to find another unsuspecting club to get rich on.
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Some grapevines are not worth picking the grapes from.
 
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