The Farmers Protest

[Blond Bombshell]

Starting a new thread to keep any debate on the farmers separate from the incident in Southport thread.

The farmers have chosen the wrong target, Inheritance Tax is good for farming...

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[Smug in Boots]

Starting a new thread to keep any debate on the farmers separate from the incident in Stockport thread.

The farmers have chosen the wrong target, Inheritance Tax is good for farming...


20 minutes ago

Quite right, it’s an important issue that affects everyone.

I’d originally posted on the Southport thread as a comment about how the likes of Jeremy Clarkson are the first to demand water cannons and tear gas if any protesters affect their life in any way …

… but think it’s fine for London to be disrupted, ambulances diverted and a mess left for the taxpayers to pay to be cleaned up.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

Basically the current farming model is being corrupted by Clarkson and Dyson for financial gain. Inheritance Tax is good for farming as it will remove the financial side... as explained in the video above.

 

[The Norton Cat]

Basically the current farming model is being corrupted by Clarkson and Dyson for financial gain. Inheritance Tax is good for farming as it will remove the financial side... as explained in the video above.

But, it must be taken into account that that video has been produced by a fairly well-known academic with a particular political leaning, which means that he's not presenting a neutral and unbiased stance on the subject. He also appears to leave out or gloss over some pretty important information.

This, for example, contrasts with the implication in the video that the price of agricultural land is only high because its being used as a means to avoid paying taxes.
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[DH4]

Perhaps we could clap or rattle pots and pans at an agreed time in support for Jeremy and his mates like people did for those pesky public sector doctors and nurses

 

[TeamOfTalents]

I listened to some tax chap talking about this on the This is Money pod. He seemed fairly critical of Labour in many tax areas, but the IHT for farmers was definitely not one of his criticisms. Reckoned impact was in hundreds/low thousands rather than numbers touted in our ever reliable media. Also remember a lot of farmers don't own the farms themselves.
So mostly it's very wealthy folks impacted.

 

[TeamOfTalents]

Clarkson had no answer to actual facts.

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[Smug in Boots]

They’re about to pose the question on the Radio 2 phone in …

… is Clarkson a good choice as spokesman for the farmers?

 

[The Norton Cat]

I listened to some tax chap talking about this on the This is Money pod. He seemed fairly critical of Labour in many tax areas, but the IHT for farmers was definitely not one of his criticisms. Reckoned impact was in hundreds/low thousands rather than numbers touted in our ever reliable media. Also remember a lot of farmers don't own the farms themselves.
So mostly it's very wealthy folks impacted.

As I understand it the discrepancy in the numbers is because around 500 farms a year are passed on by inheritance (based on 462 last year) but it is estimated that there are 70,000 farms in the UK that are large enough to be affected at some point.

 

[The Norton Cat]

They’re about to pose the question on the Radio 2 phone in …

… is Clarkson a good choice as spokesman for the farmers?

On balance, they'd be better off with a sensible and articulate farmer.

 

[123Daveyboy]

Is there anything farmers don’t complain about.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Clarkson had no answer to actual facts.

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He really is another Boris, backs up a lie with a different lie then appeals to the mob when he's sussed.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

Is there anything farmers don’t complain about.

As the YouTube video says, been complaining about tax issues 50 odd years that Richard Murphy is aware of... seen it mentioned on Wolfhall, that Cromwell thought Henry VIII monastery land grab would help the small farmers... probably been going on since then (early 16th century)...

 

[Smug in Boots]

I know very little about all this, and have never watched the Clarkson farm show ...

... but he seems to be a hero of the farmers.

What puzzles me is how that tallies with him buying a farm, for a bit of a laugh, when it's so hard for people to get into farming and for young farmers to buy a farm of their own. Surely these millionaires buying farms and land drives the price up and makes it even more difficult.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I know very little about all this, and have never watched the Clarkson farm show ...

... but he seems to be a hero of the farmers.

What puzzles me is how that tallies with him buying a farm, for a bit of a laugh, when it's so hard for people to get into farming and for young farmers to buy a farm of their own. Surely these millionaires buying farms and land drives the price up and makes it even more difficult.

I've only seen the first couple, on the recommendation of other people. He started off clowning around and doing stupid ****, which was irritating, but gradually started to realise that farming isn't a joke. He's said himself that farming is a lot harder than he thought and some people think that he's helped to improve the general public's understanding of the problems that farmers face.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

I know very little about all this, and have never watched the Clarkson farm show ...

... but he seems to be a hero of the farmers.

What puzzles me is how that tallies with him buying a farm, for a bit of a laugh, when it's so hard for people to get into farming and for young farmers to buy a farm of their own. Surely these millionaires buying farms and land drives the price up and makes it even more difficult.

Spot on, he claims he bought the thousands of acres to allow him to go shooting and the inheritance tax avoidance was just a byproduct.... lying gits gone way down in my estimations

 

[Smug in Boots]

Spot on, he claims he bought the thousands of acres to allow him to go shooting and the inheritance tax avoidance was just a byproduct.... lying gits gone way down in my estimations

If he really believes people will be sympathetic to someone seeking to buy an entire farm, just so he can shoot the animals and birds on it, he must be deranged. All he's doing is reinforcing some people's idea that these 'gentlemen farmers' buy up huge swathes of the countryside for their own entertainment.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

If he really believes people will be sympathetic to someone seeking to buy an entire farm, just so he can shoot the animals and birds on it, he must be deranged. All he's doing is reinforcing some people's idea that these 'gentlemen farmers' buy up huge swathes of the countryside for their own entertainment.

I believe he said that tongue in cheek as he was lying... it was on his newsnight interview with Victoria Derbyshire

 

[rooch 3]

I believe he said that tongue in cheek as he was lying... it was on his newsnight interview with Victoria Derbyshire

On a more serious note, I will repeat what wrote o a previous thread
Somebody mentioned it was a disgrace paying farmers £24.000 in subsidies, it’s easy to put that right, stop the subsidies and pay the proper price for your food.
I wonder if you would be winging then?

It takes a normal farmer 730 days of work before he earns any money for a pint of milk, around 30p to 40p a ltr. A bottle of spring water is £1to £2 ltr,
Farming is one of the only businesses where you get told how much you are getting for your produce.
It’s highly funny listening to you talk about farming when you haven’t got the first clue

 

[Blond Bombshell]

On a more serious note, I will repeat what wrote o a previous thread
Somebody mentioned it was a disgrace paying farmers £24.000 in subsidies, it’s easy to put that right, stop the subsidies and pay the proper price for your food.
I wonder if you would be winging then?

It takes a normal farmer 730 days of work before he earns any money for a pint of milk, around 30p to 40p a ltr. A bottle of spring water is £1to £2 ltr,
Farming is one of the only businesses where you get told how much you are getting for your produce.
It’s highly funny listening to you talk about farming when you haven’t got the first clue

Hopefully labour tackle this issue in the next few months, food manufacturers are to blame for the farmers grievances