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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months


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I think they need £50bn, not sure if that's coincidence because it's the same value as the black hole. No idea how the markets will react, suppose it will be however it is sold to them come budget day, but I heard it's only for investment, whatever that means, I assume generating work and income projects for the UK. As I understand it anyone that owns property, other than their own home, or those that have assets are the ones that are going to get slapped with tax, as they don't count as working people, not my words, theirs. Then employers (not employees) will also get hit with the NI increase. I just hope they leave the hospitality sector alone, especially pubs and clubs, it's killing our culture as people can't afford it, although inner cities are worst hit when it comes to pricing, if anything they need to be reducing tax or at the very least freezing it, and reducing the business rates side of thing, otherwise more places will just shut up shop and they are all falling like a pack of cards at the moment. I don't blame them though for trying to borrow more, not sure what else they can do.
Yeah the NI bit is going to kill a lot of small business that's just bobbing along. These ****ers are not for the working man and not even for business.
They will kill the economy before the 4 years is up unless somthing obvious forces an election.
 
Yeah the NI bit is going to kill a lot of small business that's just bobbing along. These ****ers are not for the working man and not even for business.
They will kill the economy before the 4 years is up unless somthing obvious forces an election.

Brexit killed the economy ... let's hope for a brighter future ... or a change in 4 years time ... to anyone but the corrupt, self-serving, nepotistic, Tories <ok>
 
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I think they need £50bn, not sure if that's coincidence because it's the same value as the black hole. No idea how the markets will react, suppose it will be however it is sold to them come budget day, but I heard it's only for investment, whatever that means, I assume generating work and income projects for the UK. As I understand it anyone that owns property, other than their own home, or those that have assets are the ones that are going to get slapped with tax, as they don't count as working people, not my words, theirs. Then employers (not employees) will also get hit with the NI increase. I just hope they leave the hospitality sector alone, especially pubs and clubs, it's killing our culture as people can't afford it, although inner cities are worst hit when it comes to pricing, if anything they need to be reducing tax or at the very least freezing it, and reducing the business rates side of thing, otherwise more places will just shut up shop and they are all falling like a pack of cards at the moment. I don't blame them though for trying to borrow more, not sure what else they can do.

After the Wall Street crash and the midwest turning into a giant dust bowl America was totally destroyed as a country and when Roosevelt was elected President he took a massive gamble and printed billions of dollars which were used to pay the people who wanted to work (most of the population, remember this for later) to totally rebuild the American infrastructure, roads, houses, hydro electric dams etc, the workers then bought American food and goods with their American dollars and this policy of buying Americans good only with American money led to an economic boom which allowed America to become the super power it bcame during and after WW11

In Germany printing money led to inflation and riots and ultimately the rise of Hitler, his solution to inflation was literally to revalue a 1000 marks to 1 mark and they had no option but to buy German goods with German money and the population was motivated to rebuild Germany and make them into a superpower but Hitler went down the path to war and the ultimate destruction and division of Germany

How well do we think our workshy self indulgent population would would respond to the American option and get their poor little hands dirty doing real work for potentially long hours (at least 8 a day) and only buy things manufactured in Britain, and there is the second problem, thanks to out of control Trade Unions in the sixties we no longer make anything, so the billions of pounds would only make other counties richer and we would probably even worse of than we are now
 
I think they need £50bn, not sure if that's coincidence because it's the same value as the black hole. No idea how the markets will react, suppose it will be however it is sold to them come budget day, but I heard it's only for investment, whatever that means, I assume generating work and income projects for the UK. As I understand it anyone that owns property, other than their own home, or those that have assets are the ones that are going to get slapped with tax, as they don't count as working people, not my words, theirs. Then employers (not employees) will also get hit with the NI increase. I just hope they leave the hospitality sector alone, especially pubs and clubs, it's killing our culture as people can't afford it, although inner cities are worst hit when it comes to pricing, if anything they need to be reducing tax or at the very least freezing it, and reducing the business rates side of thing, otherwise more places will just shut up shop and they are all falling like a pack of cards at the moment. I don't blame them though for trying to borrow more, not sure what else they can do.

The bottom line is that the markets react differently to borrowing to invest in public services than they do to borrowing to give humungous tax breaks to your rich chums, only for that money to 'trickle down' into the Cayman Islands, and other tax havens. Oh, and into the Tory Party's coffers in the form of donations, 'natch.

Just a reminder that Labour, even after the 2008 worldwide economic crash, left the country with a AAA credit rating. Just weep at what it is now.

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After the Wall Street crash and the midwest turning into a giant dust bowl America was totally destroyed as a country and when Roosevelt was elected President he took a massive gamble and printed billions of dollars which were used to pay the people who wanted to work (most of the population, remember this for later) to totally rebuild the American infrastructure, roads, houses, hydro electric dams etc, the workers then bought American food and goods with their American dollars and this policy of buying Americans good only with American money led to an economic boom which allowed America to become the super power it bcame during and after WW11

In Germany printing money led to inflation and riots and ultimately the rise of Hitler, his solution to inflation was literally to revalue a 1000 marks to 1 mark and they had no option but to buy German goods with German money and the population was motivated to rebuild Germany and make them into a superpower but Hitler went down the path to war and the ultimate destruction and division of Germany

How well do we think our workshy self indulgent population would would respond to the American option and get their poor little hands dirty doing real work for potentially long hours (at least 8 a day) and only buy things manufactured in Britain, and there is the second problem, thanks to out of control Trade Unions in the sixties we no longer make anything, so the billions of pounds would only make other counties richer and we would probably even worse of than we are now


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Fuxake, it was Patrick Minford, one of Thatcher's chief economic advisors, who even as recently as the 2016 referendum was still espousing the doctrine that the UK would be better off without its own manufacturing and agricultural base. Yes, he literally said that.

If you cannot see that the chief culprit for the death of UK manufacturing was neoliberal global orthodoxy then you're just a ****ing serf to the Tufton St media in this country.

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thanks to out of control Trade Unions in the sixties we no longer make anything

How have you arrived at this conclusion ?

It has been outsourcing of manufacturing to cheaper countries where industry can pay lower wages, that has led to the UK not making anything.

At the same time we sold off all of our national infrastructure to private investors and literally handed our capital to the private sector.

Instead of manufacturing, the UK pursued a financial services industry that allowed rich bankers and financiers to amass wealth (and launder Russian money and property) and was always subject to massive fluctuations because it's linked to global markets. Like we saw with the financial crash in 2008. It also has no real capital base, as it's linked to investments and stock trading. We have no actual assets as we sold them all off for already wealthy people to make more money.

Then, when we shot ourselves in the foot with Brexit, we handed over the financial services initiative in Europe to Frankfurt AND invited import taxes and duty on goods brought into the UK from the EU, our biggest trading partner <doh>

The Americans do actually make things, which is why they have a good capital based economy which is doing well right now. But guess what, if you want people to make things in their own country, you have to pay them a proper wage. Which is why Boeing are currently losing $6bn. They have an order book worth something like $150bn but until they pay their workers properly, those planes aren't getting made.
 
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Kinda ironic that these anti-musk posts saying he hates free speech are being posted on Musk's own platform and NOT being removed

Like a lot of these things, the devil is in the detail. He might not take down posts saying he hates free speech and go on podcasts claiming be to a champion of free speech, but his actions speak louder.

Like suspending the twitter accounts of Journalists that report on him, ordering his staff to take down what he perceived as left wing accounts, forcing Twitter engineers to change the algorithms when Biden's tweets were getting more traction that his own and banning the word CIS because he hates his own trans daughter lol

Probably more sinister than all of that though is because he's now Trump's little pet pooch (and main financier) Trump now has a main line to Twitter and what content is permissible, like when his campaign team demanded that a journo's investigation into JD Vance be taken down. And what did Musk do ? Of course, he made it disappear. And for good measure, torched the journalist's account.

Trump and Musk might talk about free speech, but in reality what they want is for their voice to be heard above everybody else, and anything that looks like it might get in the way of that, gets shut down.
 
This is ****ing brilliant, we should all do this so we can spend what we want.

The government will change its self-imposed debt rules in order to free up billions for infrastructure spending, the chancellor has told the BBC.


Rachel Reeves said that she would make a technical change to the way debt is measured which will allow it to fund extra investment.


The key word here is 'investment'. The robbing ****s who were recently in power for 14 years starved every single branch of public services of investment, leaving a failing state for Labour to deal with. At last we have a serious chancellor and a grown up government committed to addressing the problems the clown-car conservatives left behid.
 
The key word here is 'investment'. The robbing ****s who were recently in power for 14 years starved every single branch of public services of investment, leaving a failing state for Labour to deal with. At last we have a serious chancellor and a grown up government committed to addressing the problems the clown-car conservatives left behid.

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I'm not sure why you need to keep putting this bolloxs on here but as you have here's my take on it, and I don't need twitter or any other of your stupid fooking links to make my point.

I personally had no problem with Taylor Swift having police protection, especially after recent threats abroad, and I noted Manchester mentioned. So on the latter bit, it;s the audience that need the protection ie her fans as much as herself.

If anything was learned from Manchester it was that security was poor...of the audience!

Taylor Swift herself pays a fortune for private security, I've seen figures upwards of $3 million. She also has four bodyguards at all times, but I've seen figures ranging from a team of 20 upto a team of 120 available to her, including in the stadium itself and at front of stage.

So while I accept she needed security, she probably really didn't, she has guards as much as Messi has a personal bodyguard that travels with him to every single game he plays.

So the threat wasn't really with the pop star herself id argue, but more with her fans, but I'll accept whatever the authorities think is needed, but many more memes, twitter shhite from you and I'm sending you back to GC, we got Sucky for this bolloxs, we really don't need you as well.

Type what you want to say or **** off.
 
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In other news today, the potential ban on smoking outside of pubs has been dropped.

I know I saw a report from the hospitality sector that wanted Kier to do this, along with a couple of other things, otherwise the clubs and pubs are just going to go under.

So I'm happy.

Win win with Keir <whistle>