Match Day Thread Hull City v Sunderland

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We are upset because I think that is the 4th time we have conceded that same goal from our own corner from totally unnecessary kamikaze set up with our last man back at the edge of your D. At 0-0 on 62 minutes it’s just an utterly stupid thing to do, but I suppose it’s better than about 15 minutes when we gifted that goal to Sheffield United.
Aye, fair enough. You seemed to me (and I know it’s annoying when a casual viewer comes along and tries to tell you what’s what) to have reigned in a lot of the kamikaze stuff today, there were real signs of improvement in that regard I thought. A good foundation to build on but, yeah, the goal was the exception to that so I can understand that frustration.
 
Aye, fair enough. You seemed to me (and I know it’s annoying when a casual viewer comes along and tries to tell you what’s what) to have reigned in a lot of the kamikaze stuff today, there were real signs of improvement in that regard I thought. A good foundation to build on but, yeah, the goal was the exception to that so I can understand that frustration.

I thought you looked well organised and a strong side all the elements to get in the top 6 in the league. Bar that I thought you were poor. I’ve not really been that impressed with anyone in the league so far, bar maybe Norwich, think Leeds and Burnley will walk it at a canter. I assume it was one of your poorer performances but solid, exactly what you need to win 1-0 in this league.

We’ve spent a small fortune, and the differences in personal aren’t far away from
Both clubs. I feel your manager is better.
 
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Because he should have learned your team’s set piece routines? I think Walter is talking nonsense on that.

I agree with you on that, I don’t think that’s the job of the ref

But he still was blocking a set piece path between two of our players and should have had awareness to know that. He also steps in the way before stepping back again.

It was basic lack of awareness of his surroundings.
 
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I thought you looked well organised and a strong side all the elements to get in the top 6 in the league. Bar that I thought you were poor. I’ve not really been that impressed with anyone in the league so far, bar maybe Norwich, think Leeds and Burnley will walk it at a canter. I assume it was one of your poorer performances but solid, exactly what you need to win 1-0 in this league.

We’ve spent a small fortune, and the differences in personal aren’t far away from
Both clubs. I feel your manager is better.
I think you made Norwich look more impressive than they perhaps are (I watched the game) but I think they’ll be in the playoff mix.
We’re well drilled under the new manager and have some good players (despite us having not spent much) so we’ll hopefully be in and around the top six come the end of the season. I personally don’t think we have what it takes to keep up with the likes of Leeds and Burnley in a battle for the automatic places over a whole season. Today was one of our more limited performances of the season but some credit needs to go to you for that, you nullified us well.
 
Now I’ve eaten way too much food, had a nice cold beer and time to settle down and think about it with a clear head. I still think Walter needs to go. This squad is too good to throw to waste with some batshit crazy manager.

Puerta looks a real player doesn’t he? Think he might be the most exciting of the summer additions.

I thought Bedia also looked good. I know I know, let himself down badly at key moments, but he really got himself involved all game and showed some very nice touches, showed he’s got what it takes to lead a line. In fact at times reminded me a lot of Diame, massive bloke with impossibly quick feet that he just shouldn’t have.

Hughes is a baller. Perfect replacement for Greaves, imagine the two of them playing together if Greaves was still here.


Very excited to see what could come from this squad once we get a proper manager in, hopefully it’s not too late to go places.
 
This is really concerning and like I said, I'd judge it after ten games. We're now at that point, so thoughts:

We didn't look arsed from the get go today, but we've generally been pretty slow out of the blocks.

We didn't seem to have a clue in attack.

We've gone back to an either/or situation with attacking and defending when setting up.

He took off Puerta, who was having a great game and replaced him with Slater/Palmer who didn't change anything.

This formation/tactic doesn't suit having a lone striker, yet we persist with endless crosses into the box when Bedia's the only one there. I'd love to see a percentage stat of his header's won from crosses.

We looked more solid in defence and Hughes looked great.

That wasn't the improvement from Norwich I was hoping for, I understand the need for being tighter at the back, but a better manager would find a balance.

I want it to work, really I do; it'd be nice for us to have our turn with a German guy in charge who takes us up like Norwich and Huddersfield had, but in truth, we don't look anything like a top half team, let alone one chasing the playoffs. I've said this before, we know what the tactic is but it just doesn't suit the players we have. A concern really given that they were brought in to play in this exact formation. We had some good results against some crap teams, but we've now played four teams who will be up there at the end of the season in Sheff U, Leeds, Sunderland and Norwich and they just look a level better than we do.

If the aim is to get promoted this season, it isn't going to be with Tim Walter. Sorry if that sounds disloyal or whatever, I don't give a frig. If the aim this season is to just tread water and build the tactic and the team for next season, then maybe we can get away with that, but honestly, another 36 games like this and I can't say I'm enthused as to what's on the horizon.

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong, I want it to work out for him, I just can't see it given Acun's ambition.
There is obviously disappointment after a shaky result this afternoon. But saying Sunderland were better than us is a bit strong, we dominated them for large parts of the game (without really threatening their goal much, granted) and their goal was the gift from everyone that kept on giving. I’m not down after todays efforts at all, I thought I saw signs of progress today against a strong opponent.
 
So I’ve calmed down a little now.
The ref was a clown and one of the linesman wasn’t much better.

Im starting to have doubts about Walter. I counted nine times in the first half where their number 10 was completely unmarked by either Dremeh or Kamara, and it only looked a matter of time that one of their crosses by him was going to pay dividends. Walter seemed completely oblivious to it.

Our midfield looks non existent whoever plays there. It must be tactical that our only route to attack comes from the flanks.

Acun seems to have acquired a competent squad but Walter is starting to sound like Rosie now. Not been clinical enough. Trusting in the system etc etc.

But bringing another manager in at this stage means the season is finished in terms of challenging top half.

It was so frequent it felt like it must have been deliberate. It was Patrick Roberts out there and as tricky as he is, he is very one footed. I wonder if they were thinking it was better for him to take it down the line than to cut inside onto his left. In contrast, we sometimes had three back to defend on the opposite side when Sunderland attacked down their left. Definitely a strange balance to it.
 
Why did'nt Mehelm push Madely over as if by accident then the game would have had to be stopped

Because he's sh!te and gave another anonymous performance today. At least Wally subbed him off - although he will no doubt be first name on the teams sheet for Wednesday
 
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Can't remember when I was last this frustrated after a game. To be fair, we probably didn't do enough to deserve to win the game, but neither did they. - Except from the referee assisted winner, they barely threatened all game. HTF they are top of the league baffles me.
 
If that sunderland team is good enough for top 2 at the end of the season then the standard really is ****e this year.
another way to look at it would be to say we made a team who are comfortably top 2 look v ordinary and with a competent ref could've won.....that's obv not the whole truth, but there is some truth to it.
 
If that sunderland team is good enough for top 2 at the end of the season then the standard really is ****e this year.
People say the same ****e every season against whoever is top. Its very, very rare teams just blow the entire league away over the course of a season.

Its consistency and fine margins. There was little in the game, Sunderland werent at their best yet still had pretty much nothing to defend against and won it.

Also missing tons of key first team players who are injured.
 
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Id be inclined to agree but it generally felt today as if they didn’t get out of 2nd gear and kept us at arms length really. Our midfield just doesn’t win the second or third ball that well at key moments.
We do dessert the midfield at times (often) but I actually thought it was our most sustained period on the ball up until the ref decided to man mark. We conceded lots of territory first half but I’d argue we were fairly comfortable too, they didn’t create loads and if not for a severe lack of good decision making, we could’ve really hurt them on several occasions. I agree after they scored, they were pretty comfortable but they’re top of the league for a reason and very well organised.
 
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