Didn’t they take over in 2010 during the Great Recession which started under labour government a few years previous?
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Didn’t they take over in 2010 during the Great Recession which started under labour government a few years previous?
I guess Labour coming in and putting taxes up, slashing benefits and removing the WFA for pensioners isn’t an austerity tactic…
Yes and there's not much anybody can do about it. Most of the ups and downs in the economy happen in a cycle and no different in any other part of the world. Speculation shows the US might be about to hit a recession. If that happens chances are we're all dragged into it. ?
Posted this link before with current government spend at £1.2 trillion . So Labour right or wrong want to fiddle away with £1.5bn on WFA. It's nothing when you look at total spend , like looking for quid out of two grand. It'll still happen I reckon.
What needs to be done is a major overhaul of the spend in every department . That's what makes a difference to anybody's finances even ours in our own homes. Yet they won't do it as politicians want to stay in power . Tinkering that's all you get just like the WFA . Just watch in the budget there'll still be a deficit of billions simply added to the national debt. Labour will claim victory. We've put the country back on the map etc etc.!! Have a look at the link at the budget deficit. Nothing to do with voting Labour or Tory. Never ending.
UK Public Spending - Numbers Charts Analysis History
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I quite liked this post, but have to take issue with the final paragraph.
You make it sound as if BREXIT was a Tory Policy with onlyTory support.
Not so by any means.
If you take Sunderland as an example, while our three MP's voted against it, a sizable majority of the population voted FOR BREXIT.
But they voted in similar numbers FOR Labour at subsequent elections.
Why can those who opposed BREXIT not accept the FACT that a large majority of the population voted for it, not on Party Lines, but on what they believed was right.
One of our MP's banged on for some time after the Referendum, asking for, what she called, A PEOPLES VOTE.
The Referendum was just that.
Nothing to do with Party Lines, just peoples honest collective opinion.
You're making the assumption that those people were qualified to vote on the subject. The blame (in my opinion) goes to Cameron for even putting it to the vote without proper research and information. The brexit vote was basically a vote for racism from the idiots and the Silver Surfers who believe in British Rail, the pound note and hate all this "lefty wokeism" that has spoiled Great Britain
I wouldnt blame Cameron for calling the referendum personally. Maybe for being weak and blase in the stay vote, as many were. But my recall was there was a major groundswell of demand for the referendum. It was from a range of groups of society too. I remember the CBI saying the relationship with the EU was problematic and needed altering. Things like bail outs were fresh in folks memory. The naivety everyone had was to assume the other 26 EU members would allow our departure to work in our favour. I think we handled our attempt to reset relationships badly, and our exit negotiations even more badly. Setting the clock ticking, creating red lines, such poor negotiation tactics. Funnily enough had Cameron not quit after losing the vote he was far more likely to have negotiated a better exit than May or Johnson could. I think his credibility around the EU table was greater than both.
Because it's simply untrue. A slim majority of those who cast a vote opted for Brexit, a minority of the population eligible to vote (34.5%) voted for Brexit. You can only accept the result as presented, but to say a large majority of the population voted for Brexit is laughable.
Then accept the fact that even less voted Labour this election, and their percentage lead is now 0 due to all the sleaze and corruption.Oh and the supposed 22billion black hole that they refuse to show, well even Paul Daniels couldn't show you it .
I've never suggested a majority voted Labour
As for the finances, I've said I'll await the budget, look at things in the round and see what the likes of the OBR and IFS have to say. Hardly a radical position to take...
Poor from the younger population for not getting out to vote against Brexit. It was only afterwards that I think a lot of them realised how badly it would affect them. Also poor from the remain campaign not to grasp the need to mobilise voters. Basic psychology says that those who were angry at the EU were more more likely to vote on polling day than those who were happy with it.
you forgot to shed some light with a reply to the 22 black hole Labour keep telling us exist, without any proof, having been asked umpteen timesI've never suggested a majority voted Labour
As for the finances, I've said I'll await the budget, look at things in the round and see what the likes of the OBR and IFS have to say. Hardly a radical position to take...
The £22b could be proven either way depending on what you want to believe so it's really not worth getting into, we probably won't agree. What's more important is the recognition that the country's finances are goosed, something blatantly apparent before the election but something none of the political parties were willing to discuss during their campaigns.
Please show some figures then please,. otherwise it's just more of Starmers lies like all the dosh from Alli over a mill
Here's a decent analysis by Paul Johnson if that's what pleases you.
https://ifs.org.uk/articles/ps22bn-black-hole-was-obvious-anyone-who-dared-look
It's missing the point though, on the run up to the election it was patently obvious we were financially screwed but none of the parties acknowledged that never mind began to explain how they would address that. The Tories were even promising massive tax cuts including the complete abolition of National Insurance FFS! No one, Labour included, comes out of this looking good but I await with interest their detailed plans for getting us back on track.
Apologies, my memory let me down again.
However, our system only gives people the chance to vote.
It's not compulsory.
50% +1 gets to be the winning score. Brexiteers managed 51.9%.
The turnout for The Referendum was about 72% of eligable voters.
A very creditable figur when you consider that Labour got a landslide out of a turnout of under 60%,
But that doesn't alter the validity of their win.
Well, Ive had grey hair for some years and I was/am very much in favour of Brexit.
And I do see just a touch of generlisation in your post.
I personaly have no veiws on what qualifications should be held by any citizen, when it comes to a Public Vote.As for proper 'research and information', where was this to come from?
How do you find an unbiased source on any subject?
The government perhaps.
Perhaps not, when I recall Tony Blairs' 'Dodgy Dossier'.
I can only speak for myself, but I can tell you that I tick only one of your boxes, I dislike all PC and wokeism, but I fail to see that this had any relation to Brexit.
As for the much quoted Racism card, I don't get it.
I suspect that few of us 'born and bred Brittons' would be need to go very far back into their family history to find an imigrant, not to mention Scots, Irish, Welsh, French Viking, and Italian invaders.
I'm rather more generous than you, in that I don't for one second doubt that the views you hold are genuine and have been considered and thought out.
But I am allowed to disagree with you, and WITHOUT needing at the same time to call you an idiot.
If it helps, I voted in the first Referendum to join The EEC .
This was a Free Trade organisation.
But gradualy this morphed into a politcal union, and that is the bit I do notlike one bit.
yet we are screwed even more now that the Idiot Starmer has just signed an agreement to let in 521 million pounds worth of unskilled migrants over 8 years and we pay by our tax, he didnt even consult us voters remorse is rife now
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