I didn't say you did mention Klopp, I gave him as an example from the same years as Pep, you said about taking a club through the leagues, so I asked did Klopp do that with Liverpool, of cause he didn't, so why expect that of Pep. Why would I want to get into a sensible conversation about Pep, I don't support him or Man City, I just laugh because of the tears of bitterness he tends to generate, especially with Liverpool fans. It used to be Manchester United taking your trophies, now it's City, one day it will be United again, in the meantime I'll just laugh at your desperation....cheat, cheat, cheat and 115 charges.