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Our away support is poor as of late. It is factual. There's a lot of extenuating circumstances like cost of living and odd kick off times to long away days. But all the games so far have been sparse in numbers.

Cost of living problems aren’t restricted to Hull.
 
I’m glad you said that last bit. Our away support is definitely NOT poor in terms of creating atmosphere and supporting the team. In fact it is exemplary compared to some of the sparse rabbles we see at the Circle.

Numbers are probably down a bit, but that’s down to kick off times/dates in my view, not anything more systemic.

Yeah the Stoke away game was pretty bouncing considering it was a friday night and at the time we were 1-0 down
 
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Yeah the Stoke away game was pretty bouncing considering it was a friday night and at the time we were 1-0 down

See the 1700 Portsmouth fans bouncing up and down when they were 6-1 down? Some Stoke fans said it was embarrassing to be outsung at home by gangs of a team losing 6-1.
 
There is no evidence of that. In fact if you read about disposable income after costs like housing etc Hullmis quite well up the list.

Which one is it? No evidence or evidence to prove the point you're trying to make.

Hull is by and large a wage suppressed area. Local costs such as housing, council tax and so on are kept in line with that to obviously facilitate. However, when it comes to some aspects that are costed nationally such as a football ticket, travel costs and hotels for example of those aspects that typically are spent on an away day the disposable income of the average wage earner from Hull say to someone from Hampshire is less.
 
Which one is it? No evidence or evidence to prove the point you're trying to make.

Hull is by and large a wage suppressed area. Local costs such as housing, council tax and so on are kept in line with that to obviously facilitate. However, when it comes to some aspects that are costed nationally such as a football ticket, travel costs and hotels for example of those aspects that typically are spent on an away day the disposable income of the average wage earner from Hull say to someone from Hampshire is less.

That is wrong. Disposable income is what is left over after costs like housing, council tax etc. So someone on a poor wage in Hull can have more disposable income than someone living down south earning considerably more. Travel costs from Hull to Portsmouth for example are the same as from Portsmouth to Hull. In the last article I read about this Brighton was one of the worst places for disposable income and Middlesbrough, Stoke and Hull were among the best despite all 3 of them near the bottom of the pile for earnings,
 
That is wrong. Disposable income is what is left over after costs like housing, council tax etc. So someone on a poor wage in Hull can have more disposable income than someone living down south earning considerably more. Travel costs from Hull to Portsmouth for example are the same as from Portsmouth to Hull. In the last article I read about this Brighton was one of the worst places for disposable income and Middlesbrough, Stoke and Hull were among the best despite all 3 of them near the bottom of the pile for earnings,

I'd like to see your source on this. The most recent I could find is this site which has Hull firmly in the bottom 10 and in the top 5 for biggest decreases https://www.finder.com/uk/banking/disposable-income-around-the-uk

So relatively speaking it is hitting Hull harder than most
 
I'd like to see your source on this. The most recent I could find is this site which has Hull firmly in the bottom 10 and in the top 5 for biggest decreases https://www.finder.com/uk/banking/disposable-income-around-the-uk

So relatively speaking it is hitting Hull harder than most

Plymouth bottom for disposable income. Further to travel during a season than anyone else, nearest game 120 miles away, equivalent to Hull to Stoke or Norwich, second nearest 150 miles away so more travelling costs than other fans. They averaged 2,200 last season in a relegation battle whilst we averaged 1,200 in a season we were pushing for a play off place to the final weekend. Nottingham is down there as well but get good attendances at higher prices in the PL home and away and did in the Championship. It is what people prioritise. Married people with kids have other priorities but I think other clubs have more young people who prioritise following their football club. All about opinions and perceptions though.
 
Plymouth bottom for disposable income. Further to travel during a season than anyone else, nearest game 120 miles away, equivalent to Hull to Stoke or Norwich, second nearest 150 miles away so more travelling costs than other fans. They averaged 2,200 last season in a relegation battle whilst we averaged 1,200 in a season we were pushing for a play off place to the final weekend. Nottingham is down there as well but get good attendances at higher prices in the PL home and away and did in the Championship. It is what people prioritise. Married people with kids have other priorities but I think other clubs have more young people who prioritise following their football club. All about opinions and perceptions though.

I dont disagree with you there that there are certain cities amongst that list that are picking football above other aspects. I was disputing that Hull isn't heavily affected by cost of living. My original point is more in line with what you are saying that for some reason away attendances have dipped
 
I dont disagree with you there that there are certain cities amongst that list that are picking football above other aspects. I was disputing that Hull isn't heavily affected by cost of living. My original point is more in line with what you are saying that for some reason away attendances have dipped

I think a lot of it is to with the fact a lot of our fan base is rather fickle and always has been. Full credit to those who do go to away matches, I can’t these days, but we don’t have that many in comparison to similar sized clubs.
 
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So what's changed in Plymouth that now enables on average 2000 to go watch their football team? Their travelling in such large numbers is I think a relatively new thing.

City travelling in numbers is a relatively new thing in the scheme of things. Only started with the PL on a regular basis. Don’t know when it started, they were struggling on the pitch until last couple of seasons.
 
Crazy how our away support numbers have dipped recently. I know the odd kick off times aren't helping but overall it does feel less
Odd kick off times/midweek games/Acun not continuing his free away travel kind gesture,increased rail-fares..All valid reasons?

Factor in that other Clubs fans can come here and pay £23,sometimes less if we're doing an offer and it's extended to visiting Clubs?

We,on the other hand are visiting grounds in the high £30's bracket?
 
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City travelling in numbers is a relatively new thing in the scheme of things. Only started with the PL on a regular basis. Don’t know when it started, they were struggling on the pitch until last couple of seasons.

They were struggling on the pitch last season, their relagation battle went down to the last game of the season.
 
So what's changed in Plymouth that now enables on average 2000 to go watch their football team? Their travelling in such large numbers is I think a relatively new thing.
I'd guess avoiding relegation on the last day of last season and the arrival of Wayne Rooney has generated a bit of enthusiasm for the team this season. Don't know about earlier ones though.
 
They were struggling on the pitch last season, their relagation battle went down to the last game of the season.

I meant struggling as been in a lower league. Yes, I said in an earlier post they were involved in a relegation battle. Which made their away following the more impressive.