Off Topic Politics Thread

[Osvaldorama]

Isn’t that what you want? For extremists to be locked up? I hope they do kick on from here and punish people who use hate speech on the internet.

I want violent criminals locked up for sure.

I don’t want free speech infringed for hurty words. Which is essentially what memes are.

As soon as you can be jailed for a meme, they can redefine “hate speech” however they like. It gives them essentially unlimited power to jail anyone

 

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But don’t you understand - right wing racist grifters on the internet have a better understanding of the law than a judge. And people who repost what those people say also know more than experienced judges. I thought everyone understood this? /s

With this one, I am almost with Os. Posting offensive **** on this internet has been normal for so long that it DOES feel strange when we do things about.

But that doesn’t mean spreading hate and implying ‘something’ has to do done isn’t a crime. It is. And I am glad they are doing something about it.

If comparable things happen that are anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-semitic, or anti-white - and is part of a wider moment of social unrest - then I believe it is good the precedent is set that jail is waiting.

 

[Osvaldorama]

With this one, I am almost with Os. Posting offensive **** on this internet has been normal for so long that it DOES feel strange when we do things about.

But that doesn’t mean spreading hate and implying ‘something’ has to do done isn’t a crime. It is. And I am glad they are doing something about it.

If comparable things happen that are anti-gay, anti-trans, anti-semitic, or anti-white - and is part of a wider moment of social unrest - then I believe it is good the precedent is set that jail is waiting.

This is ludicrous.

Even Wes streeting tweeted that someone should be hit with a baseball bat. Are we saying we should trawl back through everyone’s social media’s and arrest them for any minor infringement?

Where does it end?

You can basically justify jailing anyone with this logic

 

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I want violent criminals locked up for sure.

I don’t want free speech infringed for hurty words. Which is essentially what memes are.

As soon as you can be jailed for a meme, they can redefine “hate speech” however they like. It gives them essentially unlimited power to jail anyone

Here is a thought. If I walk into a pub and tell a racist joke, people will frown and shake their heads.

If I walk into a pub full of asians and tell a racist joke, they punch me and throw me out.

If I walk into a crowd of people with pitchforks and torches, point at the pub and tell a racist joke… I am inciting violence.

Being on the internet does not remove my requirement to READ THE ROOM.

 

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This is ludicrous.

Even Wes streeting tweeted that someone should be hit with a baseball bat. Are we saying we should trawl back through everyone’s social media’s and arrest them for any minor infringement?

Where does it end?

You can basically justify jailing anyone with this logic

No mate, because you are still ignoring the word ‘context’.

You can post you want to kick **** out of me all over the internet and nobody will care.

 

[Puck]

It's very amusing if the judge said the context was important here. In the infamous "nazi pug" case the argument was that context was irrelevant.

 

[Osvaldorama]

No mate, because you are still ignoring the word ‘context’.

You can post you want to kick **** out of me all over the internet and nobody will care.

But context shifts. Zeitgeist’s shift.

What if in a few years time the wokies decide that the word “fanny” is the most offensive word ever. You can trawl back through someone’s social media posts and justify locking them up.

I’m sorry, I will never agree with you. Memes and jokes should never be jailable offences.

Threats of violence or organising violence, sure. A sustained and targeted campaign of abuse. Sure.

But memes and jokes, no matter the context is a huge step toward authoritarianism.

I will defend your right to free speech and meme and insult me til you’re blue in the face.

 

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But context shifts. Zeitgeist’s shift.

What if in a few years time the wokies decide that the word “fanny” is the most offensive word ever. You can trawl back through someone’s social media posts and justify locking them up.

I’m sorry, I will never agree with you. Memes and jokes should never be jailable offences.

Threats of violence or organising violence, sure. A sustained and targeted campaign of abuse. Sure.

But memes and jokes, no matter the context is a huge step toward authoritarianism.

I will defend your right to free speech and meme and insult me til you’re blue in the face.

Is there going to be a fanny riot and people smashing up fannies? Even then, nobody has been arrested for anything which wasn’t said during the riots… so this doesn’t hold up at all.

 

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It's very amusing if the judge said the context was important here. In the infamous "nazi pug" case the argument was that context was irrelevant.

Mate… he recorded himself saying ‘gas the jews’ and getting his dog to salute. The context didn’t matter as he said he ‘only did it to annoy his girlfriend’. Well the real context is you published it for the whole world, arsehole.

Way too much effort being made here to pretend hate speech is free speech. It isn’t.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Mate… he recorded himself saying ‘gas the jews’ and getting his dog to salute. The context didn’t matter as he said he ‘only did it to annoy his girlfriend’. Well the real context is you published it for the whole world, arsehole.

Way too much effort being made here to pretend hate speech is free speech. It isn’t.

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How is posting something about shouting in the street - which is hard to prove - even relevant? Get them to post it on the internet and then report it.

I swear the intellectual capacity here…

 

[Osvaldorama]

Mate… he recorded himself saying ‘gas the jews’ and getting his dog to salute. The context didn’t matter as he said he ‘only did it to annoy his girlfriend’. Well the real context is you published it for the whole world, arsehole.

Way too much effort being made here to pretend hate speech is free speech. It isn’t.

This is also absurd though.

With the internet and phones, sharing something to the world that should only be for close friends is easily possible.

People are allowed to make ****ing jokes dude. If people are arrested for offensive jokes and memes then we are in big trouble.

To me you’re the one showing the limited intellect here. It’s like you can’t extrapolate how these sorts of powers can be twisted and used against you.

Imagine if a government gets in power that you vehemently disagree with and starts arresting people for sharing memes. Do you still feel the same then?

 

[Puck]

Mate… he recorded himself saying ‘gas the jews’ and getting his dog to salute. The context didn’t matter as he said he ‘only did it to annoy his girlfriend’. Well the real context is you published it for the whole world, arsehole.

Way too much effort being made here to pretend hate speech is free speech. It isn’t.

That's utter horseshit. He made a video where he explicitly said his girlfriend loved her dog so much it annoyed him so he was going to teach it to be "the least cute thing in the world... a nazi". The video was very obviously a joke. I don't think it was a very well put together joke but nobody with two brain cells to rub together could possibly believe he was actually calling for jews to be gassed.

That conviction is a national disgrace.

 

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I am bored of trying to have a discussion with people who have made their mind up. Let me just leave you with this checklist.

Will I get arrested?

Did you:
Post something inflammatory about minority group?
Was there a reasonable chance that this inflammatory post will be acted on due to a state of heightened public unrest?
Was the thing you posted racist?
Did you post it publicly?


If all these things are true… you deserve everything you get.

 

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That's utter horseshit. He made a video where he explicitly said his girlfriend loved her dog so much it annoyed him so he was going to teach it to be "the least cute thing in the world... a nazi". The video was very obviously a joke. I don't think it was a very well put together joke but nobody with two brain cells to rub together could possibly believe he was actually calling for jews to be gassed.

That conviction is a national disgrace.

Ok, you think gassing jews is funny in what way?
There are millions of Hitler cats.
Nobody is getting arrested. Some things are not funny. They are vile.

 

[Osvaldorama]

Ok, you think gassing jews is funny in what way?
There are millions of Hitler cats.
Nobody is getting arrested. Some things are not funny. They are vile.

What’s funny to one person is grossly offensive to others.

Free speech is essential because in order to think/speak, you have to take a risk that you could be offending someone. There is no way around this fact. No matter how mundane a sentence is, someone could interpret it offensively.

As long as someone isn’t directly threatening violence, it shouldn’t be a crime. Simple.

 

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What’s funny to one person is grossly offensive to others.

Free speech is essential because in order to think/speak, you have to take a risk that you could be offending someone. There is no way around this fact. No matter how mundane a sentence is, someone could interpret it offensively.

As long as someone isn’t directly threatening violence, it shouldn’t be a crime. Simple.

So I can go through Tottenham singing about Jews because it is funny?

 

[Gregm1988]

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A lefty channel take on something a telegraph journalist’s (so absolutely not a lefty) view on this. The journalist has withering contempt for the GB News host who is screaming about not being able to say whatever he wants without consequences. And given the channel he works for I’m not surprised he is concerned

I tried to find a version that was just the original clip without the talking over by someone from a very left wing position but had no luck. But it was a strange bedfellows moment with him agreeing with the journalist

 

[Archers Road]

I want violent criminals locked up for sure.

I don’t want free speech infringed for hurty words. Which is essentially what memes are.

As soon as you can be jailed for a meme, they can redefine “hate speech” however they like. It gives them essentially unlimited power to jail anyone

No, it doesn’t. You don’t seem to be grasping the concept of the Rule of Law. It does seem to be quite an alien concept to people like you on the far right. But it’s a very important concept, and one you should familiarise yourself with;
https://worldjusticeproject.org/about-us/overview/what-rule-law

Free speech in this country has never been absolute, actions have consequences, and that extends to what you say as well as what you do. But what you say or what you do has to break the law in such a way that a strong case can be made, before you can be arrested for it.

 

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A lefty channel take on something a telegraph journalist’s (so absolutely not a lefty) view on this. The journalist has withering contempt for the GB News host who is screaming about not being able to say whatever he wants without consequences. And given the channel he works for I’m not surprised he is concerned

I tried to find a version that was just the original clip without the talking over by someone from a very left wing position but had no luck. But it was a strange bedfellows moment with him agreeing with the journalist

Excellent