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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
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    In your opinion.....

    How about it's no more than pointing out the difference in how some demonstrations are policed and that the government of the day are culpable in allowing this to happen..... see the difference in how the demonstrations outside the police station last week and the other night in Brum were policed compared to those in Southport and Plymouth..... It's all down to perception and until today's government starts showing leadership and the police treat all demonstrations the same way, this will continue to rear it's ugly head......

    It's good btw that a thug has been jailed, but there's a huge number of other's to deal with, let's hope they all get their comeuppance including those thugs at Manchester airport that broke the police woman's nose.....
     
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    You seem to be missing the point, Trammers. I didn't bring up the BLM protests, Farage did. He believes that the police were too soft with BLM and cites the treatment of those protests as an example of two-tier policing. A police monitoring group, however, found the opposite - that the police used excessive force against BLM and were institutionally racist. The police shouldn't treat all demonstrations 'the same way', they should treat them in a manner appropriate to the level of threat to the public.

    Graham Wettone, who spent 30 years on the frontline as a Met police officer, said: "There are 'tiers' in policing response... of course there are, because you make operational decisions appropriate to the severity of the situation. But there are not tiers based on preference or favouritism."

    Even Priti Patel has said Farage's accusations are nonsense...

    She said: "What we saw during the pandemic, we saw protest. We believe in free speech. We saw protests that were being policed. What we're seeing right now is thuggery and disorder and criminality. There is a complete distinction between the two."

    Explainer: How has ‘two-tier policing’ myth in the UK become widespread? (irishexaminer.com)
     
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    How can anyone have a sensible conversation with your type, you bought up BLM twice in the past 3 hours. Ive tried to keep off the board because of this sort of rubbish spouting, pushchair you really are a close minded person.
    I’m fired
     
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    It was Farage that brought up BLM, not me. If you paid attention, you'd know that.
     
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    Erm.... A police monitoring group..... is that not the police policing themselves.... a bit like the BBC investigating themselves.... so it was all OK for the BLM protestors to destroy public property without reprimand....

    I'd expect all protests to be policed equally.... that's the whole point, but it appears at the moment not to be the case......

    Let's just agree to disagree.....
     
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    No, it's not the police monitoring themselves, it's an independent group. The police shouldn't treat each situation the same, they should treat each according to the level of threat to the public or themselves. Damaging a statue is not the same as trying to burn down a hotel full of people.
     
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    I don't disagree with you about the hotel, it's disgraceful and they should all be charged and if found guilty, jailed..... but then what about the disgraceful scene in Brum with attacking a pub full of people, same difference no? Or running around Southend with machetes, same difference? The difference being that the police were in attendance in Rotherham, quite rightly but were no where to be seen in Brum or Southend..... that's the issue.... had the police been at both those incidents we wouldn't be having this discussion.....

    I can't say it any clearer.....
     
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    One thing's for sure, nobody seems to be giving a flying **** about those poor little girls who got murdered. It's all mindless neanderthals, easily influenced by peers to carry out their dirty work and that goes for all concerned in this rioting and violence.
     
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    With organised riots going on all over the country the police were plainly overstretched, but they do seem to have got it wrong in Birmingham. To suggest that they are deliberately tougher on far right protestors than than they are on those from minorities is just nonsense, though.
     
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    Its not nonsense, as I've said before, it's all about perception and until the government and the police address this perception then rightly or wrongly you're going to have different view points...... get it right and then there can be no argument from either side.... but the lead has to come from the top and that is now Starmer..... I hope he succeeds in this for everyone's sake....
     
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    Totally agree with this post.
     
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    It should be about reality, not perception. Perception can be distorted by lies.
     
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    Another pontificating 'man-of-the people'. No one's saying that anyone expressing concern over immigration is a far-right extremist or a racist thug. People who go out to attack mosques or try to burn down asylum hotels are, though. So are the people that encourage them or make excuses for them.

    17.4 million voted for Brexit, Jeremy.
     
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    He is saying that more than 4 million voted for Brexit <cheers>
     
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    you mean the brown guys who were outside the police station protesting compared to the white guys who burnt the whole police station down?

    I see that the brown guys stopped protesting once the full picture emerged. The current mob are still going around trashing the place.
     
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    It's looking increasingly likely that tonight's big off is an elaborate hoax, many areas teeming with police and Antifa counter demonstrators just standing round scratching their arses...
     
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    Another opinion he’s been paid for in the Sun. What a ****.
     
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