Match Day Thread The Euros

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Roland Deschain said:
It’s so, so ****ing simple. Get Trippier out, put Shaw in or worst case stick Walker in. TAA is needed at RB.

Rice, Mainoo with Bellingham ahead. Wharton, Gallagher subs for the first two, Foden sub for Bellingham.

Gordon left, Kane middle, Palmer right. Eze, Watkins, Saka all subs.
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I disagree with some of this
Tripps has been hung out to dry by playing Foden in front of him who never made a single tackle and looks like Stirling more and more when he plays for England, running around like a ****ing fairy
TAA will be raped at RB
If anything I would put Gomez at LB
Bellingham looks like a spoilt child he needs to be on the bench
Rice slows everything down but we have no choice ( Southgate will never play Wharton there)
Palmer / Watkins or Toney / Gordon front 3
This will **** up any plans our next openents willl have, pace and running as oppose to the pedestrian pace so far.
Bench Saka, he seems to have lost the ability to run past a LB
Southgate will play the same team with one change
 
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As long as Southgate's there, I don't think that this tournament is rescueable.
If he's fired - highly unlikely - who would temporarily step in? My guess is nobody.
 
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Obi Wan said:
But he'd only pick English plodders and not any foreign talent.
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His huff and puff style would suit but the big clubs would be moaning about it because their players are more likely to get muscle injuries.

They're overrated anyway.
 
Roland Deschain said:
It’s so, so ****ing simple. Get Trippier out, put Shaw in or worst case stick Walker in. TAA is needed at RB.

Rice, Mainoo with Bellingham ahead. Wharton, Gallagher subs for the first two, Foden sub for Bellingham.

Gordon left, Kane middle, Palmer right. Eze, Watkins, Saka all subs.
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Is that so he can be ****e in two positions ....?
 
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Obi Wan said:
England team:

Pope
Trippier
Lascelles
Burn
Hall
Longstaff
Willock
Anderson
Murphy
Wilson
Gordon

Subs:
Gillespie
Livramento
Targett
Kelly
Miley
White
Barnes


Come on CC, you know you want to see it.
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Phil Foden is an absolute waste of space in the team in that position right now, so honestly Murphy would be an improvement.
 
GNev did sum it up well - we are literally the only nation that doesn't pick players to suit a system. Instead, we pick players based on reputation and shove them in wherever we can.

I get some of the comments earlier disagreeing with my starting line up, but I am just going on the assumption Southgate wants to play 4-2-3-1. In that kind of system, the full backs have to get forward to support inverted wingers. The 10 has to know how to play with the 9. The double pivot has to be able to play out together. The players then need to offer movement along the front 4 that does more than just drop into a pointless area to get it, then pass it 5 yards further back. We just lose ground all the time. So with that in mind, with a 26 man squad, it's VERY easy to pick two per position with a couple of backup options. this is what I'd have done:

GK: Pickford/Ramsdale.
RB: Walker/TAA
CB: Stones/Tomori
CB: Guehi/Branthwaite
LB: Shaw/Chilwell
RCM: Rice/Wharton
LCM: Bellingham/Mainoo
AM: Foden/Maddison
RW: Palmer/Saka
CF: Kane/Watkins
LW: Gordon/Eze

Than you've got 4 spare, so you take another GK, then 3 squad players like Trippier, Colwill, Grealish, Bowen, Toney, etc.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the first XI whatsoever and the formation is fine, we just need more energy and you get that from subs. Even if you fancy changing it up you can go 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 3-5-2 easy enough with that squad. It's even salvageable right now - Guehi is fine so Dunk won't play, Shaw could return or you could play Saka at LB (he grew up a LB), Stones will likely stay fit and we have Bowen for Maddison. But ultimately if you just give Foden freedom, and put Bellingham alongside Rice, then get Gordon and Palmer either side of Kane it'll make the world of difference. It's blatantly obvious. A lot of chairman are going to look at Southgate and balk at the chance. But, then again, he's going to walk to the final because of the draw and get another 2 years. He may get lucky and get the right players in for the next game.
 
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Roland Deschain said:
GNev did sum it up well - we are literally the only nation that doesn't pick players to suit a system. Instead, we pick players based on reputation and shove them in wherever we can.

I get some of the comments earlier disagreeing with my starting line up, but I am just going on the assumption Southgate wants to play 4-2-3-1. In that kind of system, the full backs have to get forward to support inverted wingers. The 10 has to know how to play with the 9. The double pivot has to be able to play out together. The players then need to offer movement along the front 4 that does more than just drop into a pointless area to get it, then pass it 5 yards further back. We just lose ground all the time. So with that in mind, with a 26 man squad, it's VERY easy to pick two per position with a couple of backup options. this is what I'd have done:

GK: Pickford/Ramsdale.
RB: Walker/TAA
CB: Stones/Tomori
CB: Guehi/Branthwaite
LB: Shaw/Chilwell
RCM: Rice/Wharton
LCM: Bellingham/Mainoo
AM: Foden/Maddison
RW: Palmer/Saka
CF: Kane/Watkins
LW: Gordon/Eze

Than you've got 4 spare, so you take another GK, then 3 squad players like Trippier, Colwill, Grealish, Bowen, Toney, etc.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the first XI whatsoever and the formation is fine, we just need more energy and you get that from subs. Even if you fancy changing it up you can go 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 3-5-2 easy enough with that squad. It's even salvageable right now - Guehi is fine so Dunk won't play, Shaw could return or you could play Saka at LB (he grew up a LB), Stones will likely stay fit and we have Bowen for Maddison. But ultimately if you just give Foden freedom, and put Bellingham alongside Rice, then get Gordon and Palmer either side of Kane it'll make the world of difference. It's blatantly obvious. A lot of chairman are going to look at Southgate and balk at the chance. But, then again, he's going to walk to the final because of the draw and get another 2 years. He may get lucky and get the right players in for the next game.
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That first bit nails it.
Having a system would require tactics, appropriate player selection to execute the plan, plus coaching for those playere so they understand the plan and their specific roles.

Southgate is neither a tactician or a coach.
All he seems capable of doing is submitting a team sheet consisting of the names he knows best.
 
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Roland Deschain said:
GNev did sum it up well - we are literally the only nation that doesn't pick players to suit a system. Instead, we pick players based on reputation and shove them in wherever we can.

I get some of the comments earlier disagreeing with my starting line up, but I am just going on the assumption Southgate wants to play 4-2-3-1. In that kind of system, the full backs have to get forward to support inverted wingers. The 10 has to know how to play with the 9. The double pivot has to be able to play out together. The players then need to offer movement along the front 4 that does more than just drop into a pointless area to get it, then pass it 5 yards further back. We just lose ground all the time. So with that in mind, with a 26 man squad, it's VERY easy to pick two per position with a couple of backup options. this is what I'd have done:

GK: Pickford/Ramsdale.
RB: Walker/TAA
CB: Stones/Tomori
CB: Guehi/Branthwaite
LB: Shaw/Chilwell
RCM: Rice/Wharton
LCM: Bellingham/Mainoo
AM: Foden/Maddison
RW: Palmer/Saka
CF: Kane/Watkins
LW: Gordon/Eze

Than you've got 4 spare, so you take another GK, then 3 squad players like Trippier, Colwill, Grealish, Bowen, Toney, etc.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the first XI whatsoever and the formation is fine, we just need more energy and you get that from subs. Even if you fancy changing it up you can go 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 3-5-2 easy enough with that squad. It's even salvageable right now - Guehi is fine so Dunk won't play, Shaw could return or you could play Saka at LB (he grew up a LB), Stones will likely stay fit and we have Bowen for Maddison. But ultimately if you just give Foden freedom, and put Bellingham alongside Rice, then get Gordon and Palmer either side of Kane it'll make the world of difference. It's blatantly obvious. A lot of chairman are going to look at Southgate and balk at the chance. But, then again, he's going to walk to the final because of the draw and get another 2 years. He may get lucky and get the right players in for the next game.
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If only that were true.

But explain Bruce, O' Leary, Pulis, Hughes et al
 
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