Match Day Thread Denmark v England

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Marc Guehi had a slack handful of caps before this tournament and was thrown in after Harry got crocked.

He’s been our best defender by a country mile so far.

By that rationale why not play Wharton ?

Why take him if you don’t trust he can do a job when certain players are performing badly?

He very rarely gives the ball away and moves the ball forward quickly. No way will Rice be dropped but if we must play 2 CDM’s he really couldn’t do any worse than AA or Gallagher.

I think its Wharton or Bellingham deeper if you don't want to try him really. We have to get the midfield doing more to allow the attack to get on the front foot quicker.
 
I think it’s Wharton or Bellingham deeper if you don't want to try him really. We have to get the midfield doing more to allow the attack to get on the front foot quicker.

I’ve posted this before but maybe it’s time to try 3 at the back. Trippier has offered zilch going forward.
 
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I’ve posted this before but maybe it’s time to try 3 at the back. Trippier has offered zilch going forward.

I'm not keen on that because I feel like our wide players would get pushed back too much against teams who have good wingers (which is most in the modern day).

343 could work I guess - but I worry that just ends up a 541
 
I thought we were off to a slow start, but then really got hold of the game, we scored, then immediately sat back. Only after they scored did we venture in their half.
It’s frustrating, but I think if we can get the Rice & Another right, then we’ll improve.
People calling for Bellingham to partner Rice, why not, we’ve tried everyone else. Gallagher is definitely NOT the answer!
 
I thought we were off to a slow start, but then really got hold of the game, we scored, then immediately sat back. Only after they scored did we venture in their half.
It’s frustrating, but I think if we can get the Rice & Another right, then we’ll improve.
People calling for Bellingham to partner Rice, why not, we’ve tried everyone else. Gallagher is definitely NOT the answer!

Its also worth remembering - we have been in exactly the same position after two games in the last couple of tournaments - and then improved a lot in the knock outs.

The Slovenia game will be very very telling I think. Either we'll see the players realise we need to get it right now - or we'll look like we're not up for it.
 
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Its also worth remembering - we have been in exactly the same position after two games in the last couple of tournaments - and then improved a lot in the knock outs.

The Slovenia game will be very very telling I think. Either we'll see the players realise we need to get it right now - or we'll look like we're not up for it.

Would to expect the same starting 11 and formation?
 
Would to expect the same starting 11 and formation?

He's going to have to change it I think. I think the quotes after the game suggest Trent will make way.

The worry for me is - I don't think you can justify leaving out Saka, Foden and Kane. They are amongst the worlds best players. As much as they might have had good seasons - Bowen, Eze and Watkins aren't at the same level.

We won't win the tournament if 2 or 3 of Bellingham, Kane, Saka and Foden aren't on form.
 
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I have absolutely no idea what to make of that game.

It was really really really poor - no question about it. But I can't see why?

We switched the entire forward line - and got worse. Eze was really poor and after bright starts - Watkins and Bowen faded too. I actually thought Saka and Foden were doing OK (certainly better).

There's a lot not adding up about this tournament. For a while, Southgate has been loyal (maybe overly loyal at times?) but now it feels as though he's taken a few risks with his squad - but on the pitch it doesn't look risky at all.

My suspicion is that the lack of progression up the pitch lies with who takes the role next to Rice. Its clearly not working with Trent - but at the same time there's no other obvious option. Mainoo isn't a typical DM and Wharton is very inexperienced at any sort of top level. Gallagher doesn't seem creative enough and I'm loathed to put Bellingham in the 8 position because his performance against Serbia was our best attacking show at the tournament so far.

Maybe we needed to stay loyal for one more tournament to someone who has played there before? Would Henderson, Phillips or Dier have (in an absurd way), been a better answer?

If that's the question - we really do have problems.
I’m a big fan of TAA as his delivery is phenomenal but he’s barely had a chance to show it because the system we’re utilising won’t allow it.
We’re totally unbalanced, with often three players vying for the same space on the right flank TAA, Saka and Walker, whilst Trippier ploughs a lone furrow on the left, which is not his strongest side.
I agree with a few others who have suggested that we should start with two wide players, Foden in the middle as the 10 and Bellingham as the 8, who can still arrive late in the box like he did in the previous game. When we have the ball Stones can push into midfield to support Rice and allow Bellingham more freedom to get forward.
But most of all they have to press as a team, just like Denmark did!
 
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He did actually break up play quite well, which is expected of a physical defensive mid. However, he sat so deep in front of the back four and never ventured from that static position when we had the ball. He was also quite sloppy in possession. I’m seeing a lot of our players walking with the ball, which is fine if we’re having 70% possession every game and pin the opposition deep into their own half and are winning comfortably. But we’re not. We’re sitting very deep ourselves, not pressing and not controlling possession. We can barely string more than two passes together.

This is entirely down to Southgate. This is the same game plan he’s had throughout his career as England coach. Did it against Croatia in 2018. Did it against Italy in 2021. Did it against France in 2022. The guy plays the most cowardly, negative football with one of the most talented and formidable squads in international football. What a joke.
 
I’m a big fan of TAA as his delivery is phenomenal but he’s barely had a chance to show it because the system we’re utilising won’t allow it.
We’re totally unbalanced, with often three players vying for the same space on the right flank TAA, Saka and Walker, whilst Trippier ploughs a lone furrow on the left, which is not his strongest side.
I agree with a few others who have suggested that we should start with two wide players, Foden in the middle as the 10 and Bellingham as the 8, who can still arrive late in the box like he did in the previous game. When we have the ball Stones can push into midfield to support Rice and allow Bellingham more freedom to get forward.
But most of all they have to press as a team, just like Denmark did!

I don't dislike Trent at all, but he's not the right midfielder for this team for me, and I prefer Walker as a full back.
 
He did actually break up play quite well, which is expected of a physical defensive mid. However, he sat so deep in front of the back four and never ventured from that static position when we had the ball. He was also quite sloppy in possession. I’m seeing a lot of our players walking with the ball, which is fine if we’re having 70% possession every game and pin the opposition deep into their own half and are winning comfortably. But we’re not. We’re sitting very deep ourselves, not pressing and not controlling possession. We can barely string more than two passes together.

This is entirely down to Southgate. This is the same game plan he’s had throughout his career as England coach. Did it against Croatia in 2018. Did it against Italy in 2021. Did it against France in 2022. The guy plays the most cowardly, negative football with one of the most talented and formidable squads in international football. What a joke.

I don't agree that we played the same in the France game at all.
 
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I don't dislike Trent at all, but he's not the right midfielder for this team for me, and I prefer Walker as a full back.
I don’t disagree with that and think he’d probably benefit by being brought on when we need to get something and he’s given more freedom to do what he does best.
 
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This has a smack of previous campaigns with issues in the middle... wasn't it (please correct if wrong) Beckham and Lampard that couldn't play together...? it just didnt work...
 
This has a smack of previous campaigns with issues in the middle... wasn't it (please correct if wrong) Beckham and Lampard that couldn't play together...? it just didnt work...

That was Gerrard and Lampard. I think this is a different problem though. Then we couldn't work out who to drop - now we can't work out who should play.
 
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