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He wants to talk about injuries!
We had 14 players injured from our squad at one point in the final third of the season and we still managed to finish ahead of them, despite how ****e we were last season.
Yeah Poch got sacked but thats because our owners are mental and dont have a clue.
Its a strange first move from Ineos for me, I thought 100% they would want to bring in their own guy......we shall see what this brings I guess.
Yeah but you have a first team squad of 204 players so stfu.
 
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Because we look into things with more detail and understanding, rather than plucking the latest ****e that someone off Twitter has just posted.

Yes, other clubs have also had injuries, but the whole back four all at once while trying to bed in a new keeper?

He made some absolutely funking enormous blunders in selection and substitutions, but I can also see where the problems lay and why they were.

I, personally, thinks he needs to run into next season with his preferred eleven and subs all available, and then see how he goes, until at least the new year.

If there are still big clanging alarms ringing, then change. It's not as if they haven't sounded out various replacements already.

If we make the progress most who've been watching expect, then he stays. In isolation, you look at the cup final and think there's a ****ing good team in there somewhere.

We need to be able to do that against opponents who won't be as set up to attack as much as City are. Breaking down well drilled defensive opposition, at home, has been an achilles heel all season.

From a neutral perspective I would say he either got very lucky... or he actually did a pretty good number on Pep and Citeh in the Cup Final - I veer towards the latter ... partly because I thought beforehand that you'd likely get battered <laugh>

... instead the tactic of soak it up, win ball then quick long diagonal passes looking to get Garnacho one on one with Gvardiol in Citeh's defensive third was brilliant - yes you had a slice of good fortune with the first goal defensive ****-up - but Citeh were wobbling every time ...

Pep rarely come out second best tactically - but he and his team certainly were during that first half ...
 
Pep rarely come out second best tactically - but he and his team certainly were during that first half ...
Actually he has a tendency to panic sometimes in cup finals, he has done it a few times.
Tuchel out foxed him tactically in the 2021 champions league final, and Pep also decided for that final NOT to start a defensive midfielder, which was his undoing.
 
Actually he has a tendency to panic sometimes in cup finals, he has done it a few times.
Tuchel out foxed him tactically in the 2021 champions league final, and Pep also decided for that final NOT to start a defensive midfielder, which was his undoing.

plus partying days before a cup final

Disrespectful and the right team won
 
He wants to talk about injuries!
We had 14 players injured from our squad at one point in the final third of the season and we still managed to finish ahead of them, despite how ****e we were last season.
Yeah Poch got sacked but thats because our owners are mental and dont have a clue.
Its a strange first move from Ineos for me, I thought 100% they would want to bring in their own guy......we shall see what this brings I guess.
Injuries - Not sure if we were the undisputed champs at that, but to finish behind an injury ravaged Newcastle, crippled by FFP, dog **** GK in the sticks for a large part of the season, horrific cup runs, CL group of death... MUCH worse starting point for squad quality and depth... He should have been sacked, then shot.
 
Actually he has a tendency to panic sometimes in cup finals, he has done it a few times.
Tuchel out foxed him tactically in the 2021 champions league final, and Pep also decided for that final NOT to start a defensive midfielder, which was his undoing.
Tuchel didn't out fox him at all, Pep ****ed it up all by himself with the no DM that you mentioned.
 
Injuries - Not sure if we were the undisputed champs at that, but to finish behind an injury ravaged Newcastle, crippled by FFP, dog **** GK in the sticks for a large part of the season, horrific cup runs, CL group of death... MUCH worse starting point for squad quality and depth... He should have been sacked, then shot.
Indeed.
yeah United had a ton of injuries, but he finished behind Chelsea and Newcastle, who were also heavily injury ravaged all season.
We have a big squad, but for the most part, its ****.
 
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Indeed.
yeah United had a ton of injuries, but he finished behind Chelsea and Newcastle, who were also heavily injury ravaged all season.
We have a big squad, but for the most part, its ****.


By goal difference and three points, so what? His job is not defined by where we finish in relation to Newcastle and Chelsea.

Records will show Chelsea won **** all, Newcastle won **** all, but United won the FA cup.

Table wise, if we're not top two or three the positions is irrelevant to what we actually won, no one cares.

Someone mentioned Ralph Milne last night ( @Diego was referring to him I think) and how **** we were in those days under Ferguson. Worse than now, trust me.

It's probably true that Fergie would have been sacked in today's social media driven times, especially if the Glazers were owners, but he wasn't and we went on from there.

We were worse as a team/squad/style then under Fergie than we are now under Ten hag. No manager has a magic wand.
 
By goal difference and three points, so what? His job is not defined by where we finish in relation to Newcastle and Chelsea.

Records will show Chelsea won **** all, Newcastle won **** all, but United won the FA cup.

Table wise, if we're not top two or three the positions is irrelevant to what we actually won, no one cares.

Someone mentioned Ralph Milne last night ( @Diego was referring to him I think) and how **** we were in those days under Ferguson. Worse than now, trust me.

It's probably true that Fergie would have been sacked in today's social media driven times, especially if the Glazers were owners, but he wasn't and we went on from there.

We were worse as a team/squad/style then under Fergie than we are now under Ten hag. No manager has a magic wand.

I get the comparison, (unlike some).
But I would generally accept that as the exception rather than the rule.
Besides, didnt it take Fergie like 5 or 6 years to win something with United?
You think in todays footballing world owners are gonna put up with that on the off chance that ETH is Fergie reborn?
I am not saying they were wrong to keep him, necessarily, I just find the huge vote of confidence from a majority of the United fans strange.
Probably because I support Chelsea and we bin our managers every 5 minutes, granted, but I just think it odd that Ineos took this course.
Do you think they would have kept him if he hadnt won the FA Cup? Or do you think that swung it for the owners?
 
I get the comparison, (unlike some).
But I would generally accept that as the exception rather than the rule.
Besides, didnt it take Fergie like 5 or 6 years to win something with United?
You think in todays footballing world owners are gonna put up with that on the off chance that ETH is Fergie reborn?
I am not saying they were wrong to keep him, necessarily, 1, I just find the huge vote of confidence from a majority of the United fans strange.
Probably because I support Chelsea and we bin our managers every 5 minutes, granted, but I just think it odd that Ineos took this course.
Do you think they would have kept him if he hadnt won the FA Cup? 2, Or do you think that swung it for the owners?


1, Most United support is worn out by the continued two ish year cycle of sacking managers and want to see some consistency. Pretty much all the candidates for the job are unemployed anyway (Tuchel, Potter, de Zerbi, Poch etc.), so it's not like they won't still be there ready for the job if things go wrong in the first few months of next season.

2, Yes, it would have swayed them, or stayed his execution. It wasn't just winning something, it was the nature of the performance and that he came up with a plan to beat City and it worked.

Clearly, we can't play that way against all opponents so he needs other plans in place as well. But it showed promise. Maddeningly, Varane played and showed what a good partnership he and Martinez were, when both fit.

He's gone though and never was fit so just a snap shot of what could be done. We'll just have to replace him, one of a couple of key signings we need to make.
 
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Even at their current low, United are still winning trophies. ETH has delivered two, expect a clear out and some
More of his players coming in and improvements.
 
1, Most United support is worn out by the continued two ish year cycle of sacking managers and want to see some consistency. Pretty much all the candidates for the job are unemployed anyway (Tuchel, Potter, de Zerbi, Poch etc.), so it's not like they won't still be there ready for the job if things go wrong in the first few months of next season.

2, Yes, it would have swayed them, or stayed his execution. It wasn't just winning something, it was the nature of the performance and that he came up with a plan to beat City and it worked.

Clearly, we can't play that way against all opponents so he needs other plans in place as well. But it showed promise. Maddeningly, Varane played and showed what a good partnership he and Martinez were, when both fit.

He's gone though and never was fit so just a snap shot of what could be done. We'll just have to replace him, one of a couple of key signings we need to make.

Plus Fat Sam and Pulis
 
Two trophies in two years!

It will be cold day in Hell the day Man United fans live in the real world.

****s
 
From a neutral perspective I would say he either got very lucky... or he actually did a pretty good number on Pep and Citeh in the Cup Final - I veer towards the latter ... partly because I thought beforehand that you'd likely get battered <laugh>

... instead the tactic of soak it up, win ball then quick long diagonal passes looking to get Garnacho one on one with Gvardiol in Citeh's defensive third was brilliant - yes you had a slice of good fortune with the first goal defensive ****-up - but Citeh were wobbling every time ...

Pep rarely come out second best tactically - but he and his team certainly were during that first half ...
That a variation on kick it to the fast lad or just a direct copy asking for Diego