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You can have either John Major or Gordon Brown back if you like.
Brown could have been a solid PM if the ****gibbons of this country hadn’t clutched their pearls over him calling some stupid old **** a bigot. Bit of a sliding doors moment.
Danish PM attacked by man in Copenhagen https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv22k0rkl99o
Becoming more frequent.
Becoming more frequent.
15 minutes of fame under the guise of political statement. The ****wits are after the ****wits!
Probably killed Brown's chances of a majority in 2010. Without that, no Cameron and no Brexit. Sigh.
We’ll never know. Would most likely have avoided the worst of the pre-Brexit austerity at least under that chinless Etonian gimp.
As Alexei Sayle said, 'Austerity is based on the idea that the global financial crash was caused by there being too many libraries in Wolverhampton'.
Imagine if, instead of Tory austerity, we'd had a government willing to take advantage of historically low interest rates to invest in the economy.
Still, they're all the same, aren't they?
Just tell me Goldie where these people who are going to man your elitist health service come from....oh yes our pool of doctors and nurses that we have in this country ( already this happens in BUPA hospitals) thus reducing their working hours in NHS...making the people unable to pay the private rates wait longer, suffer more...
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Hi Beth,
I recall chatting to a Consultant about this a year or two ago.
Just in case things have changed in the interim, I checked online.
“NHS consultants’ workload is described by something called a Programmed Activity ('PA'). A PA is 4 hours of work (half a day). And a full time consultant is expected to do 40 hours = 10 x 4 hour PA blocks.”
Presumably, therefore, Consultants are ‘free’ to do what they want in their ‘own’ time.
Some, I know, won’t do private work. Others choose to do so by working outside their contracted NHS hours (ie after having fulfilled their contractual NHS hours).
They can obviously do what ever they want obviously. And there would be no risk to either set of patients ( NHS or private) if they worked 60 or 80 hour weeks?
Or that a minority of them would just take the "shilling" and join the private sector full time...( reducing the working pool in the nhs)... resulting in longer working time ( overtime) for those left behind, or agency staff...who do not know the hospital/ patients ...further downgrading the NHS.
Personally I would prevent anyone trained in this country from private work for 5 or 7 years after graduating.. ( to repay their debt and to actually learn their trade).
If they then chose to go private I would probably make them go full time, resigning from NHS..and then market forces (or lack of it ) would control the private sector.
I would also not allow private work on NHS property...let them build their own hospitals operating theatres scanners diagnostic laboratories.
They are leaching off the NHS..and that is how they make their money
( we were not allowed to charge private hospitals any more for our diagnostic tests than we did the NHS...and our prices were always low as we were working for the nhs).
A test I run 7 years ago was £25 to samples sent to me from any hospital.
A commercial company offered the same test for £300
Or that a minority of them would just take the "shilling" and join the private sector full time...( reducing the working pool in the nhs)... resulting in longer working time ( overtime) for those left behind, or agency staff...who do not know the hospital/ patients ...further downgrading the NHS.
Personally I would prevent anyone trained in this country from private work for 5 or 7 years after graduating.. ( to repay their debt and to actually learn their trade).
If they then chose to go private I would probably make them go full time, resigning from NHS..and then market forces (or lack of it ) would control the private sector.
I would also not allow private work on NHS property...let them build their own hospitals operating theatres scanners diagnostic laboratories.
They are leaching off the NHS..and that is how they make their money
( we were not allowed to charge private hospitals any more for our diagnostic tests than we did the NHS...and our prices were always low as we were working for the nhs).
A test I run 7 years ago was £25 to samples sent to me from any hospital.
A commercial company offered the same test for £300
The logical premise of what you are saying is that private health should be banned, Beth. Angela Rayner should not have had access to it for her boob job. Nor should Wes Streeting. Gen X who are quite used to using it for cosmetic stuff, should cease to do so.
What Farage was saying went beyond choosing private health, and went to a different system of funding national health, where those who could afford it, would take out insurance as in France, those that couldn't, get it free (so long as the privilege is not abused, presumably)
Not what I said at all Goldie. Please reread.
I said that
1. People trained in this country should work for the NHS to repay the country that trained them and to get actual experience.
2. If they then wish...they should go and work for the private firms.
Moonlighting after a days nhs work/ days off is not good for patients or doctors.
I did say...the private hospitals should be 100% self funding...and not sponge of the NHS for tests, equipment and even space ( private wards in NHS hospitals ffs when we have a bed shortage).
If you want private medical service , then pay for it properly..and cosmetic surgery ( except for medical reasons) should never be a NHS job Angela Rayner or not
As to 1, Agreed, or they refund the NHS if they want leave earlier. You can't force an employee to stay, but if they leave, they should repay the investment in them, over and above the work they have done. Calculations won't be easy but not impossible
2, ok
Moonlighting - beware, a policy preventing it might be in restraint of trade.
Don't forget, Beth, Labour plan to use private medical to bring the waiting lists down. There is a relationship of mutual reliance between the NHS and private health, but I agree commercially, private health should pay for use of NHS facilities.
I'd prefer serious consideration be given to a different health system eg like France. No other country has copied the NHS example. There's a reason for that.