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flandersmackem said:
Not sure what to believe re Still changing his mind.... Its probably money orientated but the if there is a hint that the clubs stance over Dodds and Proctor has any truth then this is a disaster. All that said..If Still doesn't want to be here then fair enough..for me the important thing is the club sort their s4it out and bring in a coach we can all get behind...this sideshow has gone on way too long
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This about sums it up for me too. Hes gone to a side in a European competition, vs a side who finished 16th in the second tier. Not much decision wise to make really. I’d take the Sunderland job, but I am a local lad who loves SAFC. Anyone with ambition should go for Lens imo. Don’t blame him. Hope we have other irons
 
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Magnus said:
i'm just going to post 1 more time, im happy that roker report, craig hope and scott wilson has confirmed what i was saying with all agreed and the 1st of june and planned announcement this week, so ill just leave 1 more thing still couldn't officially sign a contract till the 1st of june he's tried to play us off against lens for more money,he got his wish and got what he asked for here if the clubs fibbing you'll easily be able to see on the next appointment and how involved dodds is
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Stick around mate, you make a valuable contribution. The truth of all of this will come out in the wash at some point. My take is that,as you and others posted,Still had an agreement in place to come here and then got a better offer....most likely money....at the last minute. Might not even have been his money,but his staff.
If I was you,I'd be on to my source to try to find out what our next move will be....and stick it up on here to give us some much needed good news!:emoticon-0105-wink:
 
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Prehab26 said:
Is it ever the fault of the club, for not doing deals timely or getting this over the line ?
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Stewart was offered improved terms (while he had a serious injury) which the club considered right. Southampton (in much better state moneywise) offered better terms which he accepted. He played approximately 30 minutes for them all season (no goals). No-one can say he will return to form. So Sunderland have 10 million in the bank and have saved paying him a years salary for doing nothing.
 
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Forpadydeplasterer said:
Checking out of here for a bit.

The board and twitter are an absolute asylum atm.

Still got offered a contract, he turned us down last minute, get over it man. We move on. Yes I'd like a new head coach in, hopefully it's someone decent. I'll reserve judgement until I know who it is. No point screaming KLD out now until you know the whole facts.

Put it this way, if Craig Hope is saying we offered him a deal but he changed his mind last minute it's more than likely the truth. That knacker likes to throw **** at us at every opportunity man
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So if he likes throwing **** why wouldn’t he make something up. If this was the first mistake that they’ve made I may go along with it, but to be honest there is just as much chance as Walker being right and he doesn’t talk **** either.
 
Southern A said:
Woken up. Still grumpy.

I’ve perhaps softened on my anger at the club. Craig Hope sticks it in whenever he can so for him to say it was agreed and we got gazumped feels believable.

but that said, it should never have got to that point. We seem to take forever to make decisions and finalise deals. It’s a chronic repeating pattern. Even Beale, during the season, took 3 weeks.

The theory we had that Still couldn’t sign a contract until 1st June has kinda been removed by the reports that we sent him a contract last weekend. If we sent it him then, we could send it 2 weeks previous as well.

So even if there was nothing we could have done about Lens, we could have acted much more decisively.

It just fills me with little confidence about the whole transfer window. I don’t trust Speakman to make decisions. I just don’t.
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Sent him the contract? Depends on who you believe, I’ve read what you say here and that it was verbally agreed. It may be that the contract was sent with a start date of June 1st. I guess we’ll never know!
 
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HoratioCarter said:
Stewart was offered improved terms (while he had a serious injury) which the club considered right. Southampton (in much better state moneywise) offered better terms which he accepted. He played approximately 30 minutes for them all season (no goals). No-one can say he will return to form. So Sunderland have 10 million in the bank and have saved paying him a years salary for doing nothing.
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Best transfer business the club has ever done imo!

We also get another 7 figures because Southampton got promoted
 
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Southern A said:
Woken up. Still grumpy.

I’ve perhaps softened on my anger at the club. Craig Hope sticks it in whenever he can so for him to say it was agreed and we got gazumped feels believable.

but that said, it should never have got to that point. We seem to take forever to make decisions and finalise deals. It’s a chronic repeating pattern. Even Beale, during the season, took 3 weeks.

The theory we had that Still couldn’t sign a contract until 1st June has kinda been removed by the reports that we sent him a contract last weekend. If we sent it him then, we could send it 2 weeks previous as well.

So even if there was nothing we could have done about Lens, we could have acted much more decisively.

It just fills me with little confidence about the whole transfer window. I don’t trust Speakman to make decisions. I just don’t.
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Absolutely bang on. Also, do you not find it odd that Roker Report literally said there is no news, and the nonsense needs to stop a few days ago. Then the Athletic post the news and bang, an exclusive to counter within literal minutes. Same as Hope. He hasn't posted a sniff for weeks and bang, same time as Roker Report.

The club have been silent for 105 days on the head coach search, the second a reputable no nonsense writer from the Athletic post then boom, local mouth pieces get the briefing to counter.

Just all stinks to me. Same playbook as Pritchard. Must think we are all stupid.
 
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Southern A said:
Phil Smith’s article in the Echo this morning is nicely balanced in my view. Sums everything up really nicely.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/spor...coach-search-what-happened-whats-next-4649917
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Hate to be that bloke but surely it doesn’t take much to read back over your piece or have someone else proof read it before it’s uploaded. I’m only two paragraphs in and it’s already a tough read for the typos and spelling errors. What’s happened to standards.
 
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I have to be honest I wasn't exactly warming to Still with the seeming lack of a definitive commitment from him, started to feel.like he would be off as soon as a better offer came in.

Unfortunately I believe we have burned our bridges with Maric, who I was told had agreed to come then was put on the back burner when Still became available.

Would Rosenior be that bad? He was very well thought of at Derby and came close last year at Hull, maybe it's a sliding doors moment and we get someone that really wants to build a legacy here
 
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Prehab26 said:
Absolutely bang on. Also, do you not find it odd that Roker Report literally said there is no news, and the nonsense needs to stop a few days ago. Athletic post the news and bang, an exclusive to counter within literal minutes. Same as Hope. He hasn't posted a sniff for weeks and bang, same time as Roker Report. The club have been silent for 105 days on the head coach search, the second a reputable no nonsense writer from the Athletic post then boom, local mouth pieces get the briefing to counter.
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Is Craig Hope a mouthpiece?
 
Yeh devils advocate you could say that Michael Walker and Keith Downey were simply being the “mouthpiece” for Still / his agents. Neither said anything all week and then bang at pretty much the same time they said pretty much the same thing.

Likewise then Hope and Roker Report in counter.

Seems pretty obvious to me that Walker and Downey were acting off the same “leak” from Stills agents and then Roker Report and Hope acting of an off the record denial from the club.

truth is probably in the middle
 
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Prehab26 said:
Absolutely bang on. Also, do you not find it odd that Roker Report literally said there is no news, and the nonsense needs to stop a few days ago. Then the Athletic post the news and bang, an exclusive to counter within literal minutes. Same as Hope. He hasn't posted a sniff for weeks and bang, same time as Roker Report.

The club have been silent for 105 days on the head coach search, the second a reputable no nonsense writer from the Athletic post then boom, local mouth pieces get the briefing to counter.

Just all stinks to me. Same playbook as Pritchard. Must think we are all stupid.
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Forgot about the Pritchard **** show aswell. Offering him a token contract extension, through the media, probably knowing full well he wouldn't sign, just to make him look good. "Ah well, we offered him the contract so not our fault he didn't sign".
 
Billy Batts said:
Forgot about the Pritchard **** show aswell. Offering him a token contract extension, through the media, probably knowing full well he wouldn't sign, just to make him look good. "Ah well, we offered him the contract so not our fault he didn't sign".
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Day before, Speakman literally doing a press conference, hailing Pritchard as a vital, important player. Unbelievable skulduggery going on and I think lots of fans have had their fill. Need less of this protection PR due to bad decisions and actual competence.

The bloke said the aim was top 2. No less. We finished 16 with about 25 defeats. Dodds as gaffer for half a season and now, still no closer to a head coach.
 
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I won’t mind Rosenior unless he has to keep Dodds in his lofty possession. Let’s be honest, the only Speakman buzzphrase out of all of them, his “laser focus”, his “obsessions with progression” that is proving right is his “succession planning”. Someone from inside the business who can step up, even though he has proved he can’t handle it. Whether or not Dodds and Proctor are good enough to be near the front bench, the first team operations need a clean sweep. Because protecting his mate at the expense of the club shouldn’t happen
 
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Southern A said:
Yeh devils advocate you could say that Michael Walker and Keith Downey were simply being the “mouthpiece” for Still / his agents. Neither said anything all week and then bang at pretty much the same time they said pretty much the same thing.

Likewise then Hope and Roker Report in counter.

Seems pretty obvious to me that Walker and Downey were acting off the same “leak” from Stills agents and then Roker Report and Hope acting of an off the record denial from the club.

truth is probably in the middle
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I think Walker is in a different league to hope and joker report.
 
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Culinary said:
Hate to be that bloke but surely it doesn’t take much to read back over your piece or have someone else proof read it before it’s uploaded. I’m only two paragraphs in and it’s already a tough read for the typos and spelling errors. What’s happened to standards.
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I was going to say the exact same thing. It's shoddy and makes me think if he can't get that right, the content can't be of good quality either.
 
For all the **** i've said towards Speakman over the last 24 hours, he was absolutely right on the Pritchard, Neil and Stewart situations.

We have Rigg, Jobe, Aouchiche and others in the 10 position, we absolutely did not need to block them with Pritchard who is a bang average footballer and stunk up Birmingham with performance and attitude problems.

Neil didn't get with the model, if you don't have full alignment then you can't be here, that goes for KS as well.

We couldn't offer Stewart a contract while he was injured...

Still Speakman out though. Just think the criticism on him should be the correct criticism.
 
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