Off Topic The "That's interesting"/geek thread
- Thread starter UTRs
- Start date
-
Please bear with us on the new site integration and fixing any known bugs over the coming days. If you can not log in please try resetting your password and check your spam box. If you have tried these steps and are still struggling email [email protected] with your username/registered email address
-
I heard that Kiwi had the "Pump of Death" after a night out with Wherever...
“Does this handkerchief smell of chloroform to you, Kiwi?”
https://x.com/fasc1nate/status/1788307445305229389?s=46&t=IY6M0zI1h1T3HNaXabWIhQ
They were tougher in those days. I expect his mum made him walk it off.
They were tougher in those days. I expect his mum made him walk it off.
You must log in or register to see media
Tis but a scratch
You must log in or register to see media
Amazingly salty, very bad for your blood pressure. Sadly I’ve had to go cold turkey on it, as it is very moreish.
Especially if it's been in the sea for years!
I really should abstain too, but if I did that I'd have to cut out a lot of other stuff as well
Turkish has one of them just in case he can't get near the ice-cream girls
Battle of Castle Itter
Battle of Castle Itter
Part of the Western Front of World War II
Itter Castle in 1979
Date 5 May 1945
Location
Itter Castle, Tyrol, Austria
Result German-American Victory
Western Front of
World War II
The Battle of Castle Itter was fought on 5 May 1945, in the Austrian village of Itter in the North Tyrol region of the country, during the last days of the European Theater of World War II.
Troops of the 23rd Tank Battalion of the 12th Armored Division of the US XXI Corps led by Lieut. John C. "Jack" Lee, Jr., a number of Wehrmacht soldiers led by Major Josef "Sepp" Gangl, SS-Hauptsturmführer Kurt-Siegfried Schrader, and recently freed French prisoners of war defended Castle Itter against an attacking force from the 17th SS Panzergrenadier Division until relief from the American 142nd Infantry Regiment of the 36th Division of XXI Corps arrived.
The French prisoners included former prime ministers, generals, tennis star Jean Borotra, and Charles de Gaulle's sister. The battle is one of two known times during the war in which Americans and Germans fought side by side, the other being Operation Cowboy, and the only known time where an active member of the Waffen-SS fought on the Allied side. Popular accounts have called it the strangest battle of World War II.[1]
Background[edit]
Itter Castle is a small castle on a hill near the village of Itter in Austria.[2] After the 1938 Anschluss, the German government officially leased the castle in late 1940 from its owner, Franz Grüner.[3]
The castle was seized from Grüner by SS Lieutenant General Oswald Pohl under the orders of Heinrich Himmler on 7 February 1943. The transformation of the castle into a prison was completed by 25 April 1943, and the facility was placed under the administration of the Dachau concentration camp.[3]
The prison was established to contain high-profile French prisoners valuable to the Reich.[4][5] Notable prisoners included tennis player Jean Borotra,[6] former prime ministers Édouard Daladier[7] and Paul Reynaud,[8] former commanders-in-chief Maxime Weygand[9] and Maurice Gamelin,[10] Charles de Gaulle's elder sister Marie-Agnès Cailliau,[11] right-wing leader and closet French resistance member François de La Rocque,[12] and trade union leader Léon Jouhaux.[13] Besides the VIP prisoners, the castle held a number of Eastern European prisoners detached from Dachau, who were used for maintenance and other menial work.[14]
Prelude[edit]
The main entrance to the castle (1979)
French tennis star Jean Borotra in 1932
On 3 May 1945, Zvonimir Čučković, an imprisoned Yugoslav communist resistance member from Croatia who worked as a handyman at the prison,[15] left the castle under the pretext of performing an errand for the prison's commander Sebastian Wimmer. Čučković carried with him a letter in English seeking Allied assistance which he was to give to the first American he encountered.[16]
The town of Wörgl was 8 kilometres (5 miles) down the mountains but was still occupied by German troops. Čučković instead pressed on up the Inn River valley towards Innsbruck 64 km (40 mi) distant. Late that evening, he reached the outskirts of the city and encountered an advance party of the 409th Infantry Regiment of the American 103rd Infantry Division of the US VI Corps and informed them of the castle's prisoners.[17]
At dawn, a heavily armored rescue was mounted but was stopped by heavy shelling just past Jenbach around halfway to Itter, then recalled by superiors for encroaching into territory of the U.S. 36th Division to the east. Only two jeeps of auxiliary personnel continued.[citation needed] When Čučković failed to return, and the former commandant of Dachau Eduard Weiter[18] died in suspicious circumstances at the castle on 2 May, Wimmer feared for his own life and abandoned his post. The SS-Totenkopfverbände guards left the castle soon after, and the prisoners took control of the castle and armed themselves with the weapons that remained,[19] however they feared an attack by any roaming parties of SS men still loyal to the Nazi regime.
Failing to learn of the result of Čučković's effort, prison leaders accepted the offer of its Czech cook, Andreas Krobot, to bicycle to Wörgl mid-day on 4 May in hopes of reaching help there. Armed with a similar note, he succeeded in contacting Austrian resistance in Wörgl which had recently been abandoned by Wehrmacht forces but reoccupied by roaming Waffen-SS troops. He was taken to Major Josef Gangl, commander of the remains of a unit of Wehrmacht soldiers who had defied an order to retreat and instead thrown in with the local resistance, led by Rupert Hagleitner.[20]
Gangl sought to maintain his unit's position in the town to protect local residents from SS reprisals. Nazi loyalists would shoot at any window displaying either a white flag or an Austrian flag, and would summarily execute males as possible deserters. Gangl's hopes were pinned on the Americans reaching Wörgl promptly so he could surrender to them.[21] Instead, he would now have to approach them under a white flag to ask for their help.
Around the same time, a reconnaissance unit of four Sherman tanks of the 23rd Tank Battalion, 12th Armored Division of the US XXI Corps, under the command of Lieut. Lee, had reached Kufstein, Austria, 13 km (8 mi) to the north. There, in the town square, it idled while waiting for the 12th to be relieved by the 36th Infantry Division. Asked to provide relief by Gangl, Lee did not hesitate, volunteering to lead the rescue mission and immediately earning permission from his HQ.
After a personal reconnaissance of the Castle with Gangl and Hagleitner, in the major's Kübelwagen, Lee left two of his tanks behind but requisitioned five more and supporting infantry from the recently arrived 142nd Infantry Regiment of the 36th.
En route, Lee was forced to send the reinforcements back when a bridge proved too flimsy for the entire column to cross once, let alone twice. Leaving one of his tanks behind to guard it, he set back off accompanied only by 14 American soldiers, Gangl, and a driver, and a truck carrying ten former German artillerymen.[22][23] 6 km (4 mi) from the castle, they defeated a party of SS troops that had been attempting to set up a roadblock.
Meanwhile, the French prisoners had asked an SS officer, Kurt-Siegfried Schrader, whom they had befriended in Itter during his convalescence from wounds and was living locally, to take charge of their defense.[24] When Lee arrived at the castle, prisoners greeted the rescuing force warmly but were disappointed at its small size.[25] Lee placed the men under his command in defensive positions around the castle and positioned his Sherman tank, Besotten Jenny, at the main entrance.
Battle[edit]
Shortly after the arrival of the reinforcements, a force of 100–150[26] Waffen-SS soldiers led by Georg Bochmann, who had been occupying some hills near the town, decided to launch an attack.[27] Lee had ordered the French prisoners to hide, but they remained outside and fought alongside the American and Wehrmacht soldiers.[28] Throughout the night, the defenders were harried by a reconnaissance force sent to assess their strength and probe the fortress for weaknesses. Before the main assault began, Gangl was able to phone Alois Mayr, the Austrian resistance leader in Wörgl, and ask for reinforcements. Only two more German soldiers under his command and a teenage Austrian resistance member, Hans Waltl, could be spared, and they quickly drove to the castle.[29]
In the morning of 5 May, the attack began. The Sherman tank provided machine-gun fire support until it was destroyed by German fire from an 88 mm gun; it was occupied at the time only by a radioman seeking to repair the tank's faulty radio; he escaped without injury.[30]
Meanwhile, by early afternoon, word had finally reached the 142nd of the desperation of the defenders' plight, and a relief force was dispatched.[30] Aware that he had been unable to give the 142nd complete information on the enemy and its disposition before communications had been severed, Lee accepted tennis star Borotra's offer to vault the castle wall and run the gauntlet of SS strongpoints and ambushes to deliver it.[31] The tennis star was recognized by René Lévesque, a French Canadian reporter embedded with the 142nd and later Premier of Quebec.[16] Borotra asked for an American military uniform, then joined the force as it made haste to reach the prison before its defenders fired their last rounds of ammunition.
Major Josef Gangl
The relief force arrived around 16:00, and the SS were promptly defeated.[32] Some 100 SS prisoners were reportedly taken.[33] The French prisoners were evacuated towards France that evening,[34] reaching Paris on 10 May.[35]
Aftermath and historical significance[edit]
For his service defending the castle, Lee was promoted to Captain and received the Distinguished Service Cross.[36] He died in 1973.[37]
Gangl died during the battle from a 7.92×57mm Mauser round while trying to move former French Prime Minister Paul Reynaud out of harm's way,[35][38] and was honored as an Austrian national hero;[39] a street in Wörgl was named after him.[40][41] He was the sole defender to die during the battle, though four others were wounded. Popular accounts of the battle have dubbed it the strangest battle of World War II.[39][1] The battle was fought five days after Adolf Hitler had committed suicide[1] and only two days before the signing of Germany's unconditional surrender.
Swedish power metal band Sabaton released a song about the battle, titled "The Last Battle", on their 2016 album The Last Stand.
Battle of Castle Itter
Part of the Western Front of World War II
You must log in or register to see images
Itter Castle in 1979
Date 5 May 1945
Location
Itter Castle, Tyrol, Austria
You must log in or register to see images
47°28′14″N 12°08′23″EResult German-American Victory
Western Front of
World War II
The Battle of Castle Itter was fought on 5 May 1945, in the Austrian village of Itter in the North Tyrol region of the country, during the last days of the European Theater of World War II.
Troops of the 23rd Tank Battalion of the 12th Armored Division of the US XXI Corps led by Lieut. John C. "Jack" Lee, Jr., a number of Wehrmacht soldiers led by Major Josef "Sepp" Gangl, SS-Hauptsturmführer Kurt-Siegfried Schrader, and recently freed French prisoners of war defended Castle Itter against an attacking force from the 17th SS Panzergrenadier Division until relief from the American 142nd Infantry Regiment of the 36th Division of XXI Corps arrived.
The French prisoners included former prime ministers, generals, tennis star Jean Borotra, and Charles de Gaulle's sister. The battle is one of two known times during the war in which Americans and Germans fought side by side, the other being Operation Cowboy, and the only known time where an active member of the Waffen-SS fought on the Allied side. Popular accounts have called it the strangest battle of World War II.[1]
Background[edit]
Itter Castle is a small castle on a hill near the village of Itter in Austria.[2] After the 1938 Anschluss, the German government officially leased the castle in late 1940 from its owner, Franz Grüner.[3]
The castle was seized from Grüner by SS Lieutenant General Oswald Pohl under the orders of Heinrich Himmler on 7 February 1943. The transformation of the castle into a prison was completed by 25 April 1943, and the facility was placed under the administration of the Dachau concentration camp.[3]
The prison was established to contain high-profile French prisoners valuable to the Reich.[4][5] Notable prisoners included tennis player Jean Borotra,[6] former prime ministers Édouard Daladier[7] and Paul Reynaud,[8] former commanders-in-chief Maxime Weygand[9] and Maurice Gamelin,[10] Charles de Gaulle's elder sister Marie-Agnès Cailliau,[11] right-wing leader and closet French resistance member François de La Rocque,[12] and trade union leader Léon Jouhaux.[13] Besides the VIP prisoners, the castle held a number of Eastern European prisoners detached from Dachau, who were used for maintenance and other menial work.[14]
Prelude[edit]
You must log in or register to see images
The main entrance to the castle (1979)
You must log in or register to see images
French tennis star Jean Borotra in 1932
On 3 May 1945, Zvonimir Čučković, an imprisoned Yugoslav communist resistance member from Croatia who worked as a handyman at the prison,[15] left the castle under the pretext of performing an errand for the prison's commander Sebastian Wimmer. Čučković carried with him a letter in English seeking Allied assistance which he was to give to the first American he encountered.[16]
The town of Wörgl was 8 kilometres (5 miles) down the mountains but was still occupied by German troops. Čučković instead pressed on up the Inn River valley towards Innsbruck 64 km (40 mi) distant. Late that evening, he reached the outskirts of the city and encountered an advance party of the 409th Infantry Regiment of the American 103rd Infantry Division of the US VI Corps and informed them of the castle's prisoners.[17]
At dawn, a heavily armored rescue was mounted but was stopped by heavy shelling just past Jenbach around halfway to Itter, then recalled by superiors for encroaching into territory of the U.S. 36th Division to the east. Only two jeeps of auxiliary personnel continued.[citation needed] When Čučković failed to return, and the former commandant of Dachau Eduard Weiter[18] died in suspicious circumstances at the castle on 2 May, Wimmer feared for his own life and abandoned his post. The SS-Totenkopfverbände guards left the castle soon after, and the prisoners took control of the castle and armed themselves with the weapons that remained,[19] however they feared an attack by any roaming parties of SS men still loyal to the Nazi regime.
Failing to learn of the result of Čučković's effort, prison leaders accepted the offer of its Czech cook, Andreas Krobot, to bicycle to Wörgl mid-day on 4 May in hopes of reaching help there. Armed with a similar note, he succeeded in contacting Austrian resistance in Wörgl which had recently been abandoned by Wehrmacht forces but reoccupied by roaming Waffen-SS troops. He was taken to Major Josef Gangl, commander of the remains of a unit of Wehrmacht soldiers who had defied an order to retreat and instead thrown in with the local resistance, led by Rupert Hagleitner.[20]
Gangl sought to maintain his unit's position in the town to protect local residents from SS reprisals. Nazi loyalists would shoot at any window displaying either a white flag or an Austrian flag, and would summarily execute males as possible deserters. Gangl's hopes were pinned on the Americans reaching Wörgl promptly so he could surrender to them.[21] Instead, he would now have to approach them under a white flag to ask for their help.
Around the same time, a reconnaissance unit of four Sherman tanks of the 23rd Tank Battalion, 12th Armored Division of the US XXI Corps, under the command of Lieut. Lee, had reached Kufstein, Austria, 13 km (8 mi) to the north. There, in the town square, it idled while waiting for the 12th to be relieved by the 36th Infantry Division. Asked to provide relief by Gangl, Lee did not hesitate, volunteering to lead the rescue mission and immediately earning permission from his HQ.
After a personal reconnaissance of the Castle with Gangl and Hagleitner, in the major's Kübelwagen, Lee left two of his tanks behind but requisitioned five more and supporting infantry from the recently arrived 142nd Infantry Regiment of the 36th.
En route, Lee was forced to send the reinforcements back when a bridge proved too flimsy for the entire column to cross once, let alone twice. Leaving one of his tanks behind to guard it, he set back off accompanied only by 14 American soldiers, Gangl, and a driver, and a truck carrying ten former German artillerymen.[22][23] 6 km (4 mi) from the castle, they defeated a party of SS troops that had been attempting to set up a roadblock.
Meanwhile, the French prisoners had asked an SS officer, Kurt-Siegfried Schrader, whom they had befriended in Itter during his convalescence from wounds and was living locally, to take charge of their defense.[24] When Lee arrived at the castle, prisoners greeted the rescuing force warmly but were disappointed at its small size.[25] Lee placed the men under his command in defensive positions around the castle and positioned his Sherman tank, Besotten Jenny, at the main entrance.
Battle[edit]
Shortly after the arrival of the reinforcements, a force of 100–150[26] Waffen-SS soldiers led by Georg Bochmann, who had been occupying some hills near the town, decided to launch an attack.[27] Lee had ordered the French prisoners to hide, but they remained outside and fought alongside the American and Wehrmacht soldiers.[28] Throughout the night, the defenders were harried by a reconnaissance force sent to assess their strength and probe the fortress for weaknesses. Before the main assault began, Gangl was able to phone Alois Mayr, the Austrian resistance leader in Wörgl, and ask for reinforcements. Only two more German soldiers under his command and a teenage Austrian resistance member, Hans Waltl, could be spared, and they quickly drove to the castle.[29]
In the morning of 5 May, the attack began. The Sherman tank provided machine-gun fire support until it was destroyed by German fire from an 88 mm gun; it was occupied at the time only by a radioman seeking to repair the tank's faulty radio; he escaped without injury.[30]
Meanwhile, by early afternoon, word had finally reached the 142nd of the desperation of the defenders' plight, and a relief force was dispatched.[30] Aware that he had been unable to give the 142nd complete information on the enemy and its disposition before communications had been severed, Lee accepted tennis star Borotra's offer to vault the castle wall and run the gauntlet of SS strongpoints and ambushes to deliver it.[31] The tennis star was recognized by René Lévesque, a French Canadian reporter embedded with the 142nd and later Premier of Quebec.[16] Borotra asked for an American military uniform, then joined the force as it made haste to reach the prison before its defenders fired their last rounds of ammunition.
You must log in or register to see images
Major Josef Gangl
The relief force arrived around 16:00, and the SS were promptly defeated.[32] Some 100 SS prisoners were reportedly taken.[33] The French prisoners were evacuated towards France that evening,[34] reaching Paris on 10 May.[35]
Aftermath and historical significance[edit]
For his service defending the castle, Lee was promoted to Captain and received the Distinguished Service Cross.[36] He died in 1973.[37]
Gangl died during the battle from a 7.92×57mm Mauser round while trying to move former French Prime Minister Paul Reynaud out of harm's way,[35][38] and was honored as an Austrian national hero;[39] a street in Wörgl was named after him.[40][41] He was the sole defender to die during the battle, though four others were wounded. Popular accounts of the battle have dubbed it the strangest battle of World War II.[39][1] The battle was fought five days after Adolf Hitler had committed suicide[1] and only two days before the signing of Germany's unconditional surrender.
Swedish power metal band Sabaton released a song about the battle, titled "The Last Battle", on their 2016 album The Last Stand.