Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Rees-Mogg, when asked a while back why the UK hadn't yet implemented the border checks that were an inevitable consequence of leaving the Single Market and 'taking back control', said 'Because to do so would be an act of self harm'.

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Indeed Jacob, it is, isn't it?

Doesn't address the issue, that the EU is lead by dogmatic ideologues that risk bringing the whole political project around their ears.
 
Doesn't address the issue, that the EU is lead by dogmatic ideologues that risk bringing the whole political project around their ears.

Dogmatic ideologues, hmm.

Anyway, I was addressing the issue - you mentioned that you voted to join the Common Market, I'm saying we should rejoin the Single Market and avoid all these costly restrictions to trade.
 
Dogmatic ideologues, hmm.

Anyway, I was addressing the issue - you mentioned that you voted to join the Common Market, I'm saying we should rejoin the Single Market and avoid all these costly restrictions to trade.

Single market involves giving unrestricted entry into the UK to half a billion people in the EU. It won't happen, even under Starmer
 
We've got one
Isn't about time you sorted something out

New Zealand signed a free trade agreement (FTA) with the European Union on 9 July 2023 in Brussels. The NZ-EU FTA enters into force on 1 May 2024. From day one, duties will be removed on 91% of New Zealand's goods exports to the EU, rising to 97% after seven years.
 
You're right of course, there'd be no one left in Europe to trade with. <doh>

Strolls, if you haven't worked out yet that mass immigration, legal and illegal, is an increasingly urgent issue in the UK, for Sunak and Starmer, and in Ireland, France, Italy, Greece indeed the whole of the EU, then you're burying your head in the sand
 
Strolls, if you haven't worked out yet that mass immigration, legal and illegal, is an increasingly urgent issue in the UK, for Sunak and Starmer, and in Ireland, France, Italy, Greece indeed the whole of the EU, then you're burying your head in the sand

Have you not noticed that legal immigration has gone up massively since Brexit? When we had people coming from the EU under free movement, most would come to do seasonal jobs or to work for a couple of years and go home again. After abolishing free movement, the jobs that EU workers were doing still need to be done, so we now import many more people from India, Pakistan, The Phillipines, Africa and other far-flung places. Brexit was a nonsense in all kinds of ways, but the immigration con was the biggest of all.
 
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Have you not noticed that legal immigration has gone up massively since Brexit? When we had people coming from the EU under free movement, most would come to do seasonal jobs or to work for a couple of years and go home again. After abolishing free movement, the jobs that EU workers were doing still need to be done, so we now import many more people from India, Pakistan, The Phillipines, Africa and other far-flung places. Brexit was a nonsense in all kinds of ways, but the immigration con was the biggest of all.

Sunak will lose the next election largely because of unacceptably high post Brexit legal immigration.

Over 6 million EU residents have applied to live permanently in the UK (settled status) since Brexit, so the idea they stay for a while and go home is a nonsense.
 
In my area the only election is for the Police Commissioner role. As none of them have bothered to attempt to share their views in any way with me, my neighbours or anyone else I know who lives in the area I will assume that none of them actually wants the job (which involves making deals with the local Hunt so they can kill foxes with impunity) I will, in an even handed and unbiased way, support them all by not bothering to vote. I’ll be fascinated to see the turnout for this one.

May the least cretinous, vain and corrupt win in all the elections happening today. It’s a ****ing low bar for public office nowadays.
 
In my area the only election is for the Police Commissioner role. As none of them have bothered to attempt to share their views in any way with me, my neighbours or anyone else I know who lives in the area I will assume that none of them actually wants the job (which involves making deals with the local Hunt so they can kill foxes with impunity) I will, in an even handed and unbiased way, support them all by not bothering to vote. I’ll be fascinated to see the turnout for this one.

May the least cretinous, vain and corrupt win in all the elections happening today. It’s a ****ing low bar for public office nowadays.

This might help....

Welsh Senedd members consider criminalising lying by politicians (msn.com)
 
Just been to cast my votes, having made it coincide with the lunchtime dog walk.

Khan for Mayor and Green for the two assembly votes.