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Craig Bellamy? Annoying Welsh c@nt, but great striker & trying to make his impact as a coach. He’s at Burnley I think

He would tick most boxes

Well thought of at Burnley for his work there.

Only player to score for 7 different clubs in the PL. Annoying but does a lot of good charitable work.
 
Well thought of at Burnley for his work there.

Only player to score for 7 different clubs in the PL. Annoying but does a lot of good charitable work.

Can't see him leaving an assistant role at a parachute club though.

Only one I could think of with genuine experience with possession based play is mowbray, but he's still going to be a no 1. Not only that, he's failed from this position plenty of times even if he came in as manager.
 
Can't see him leaving an assistant role at a parachute club though.

Only one I could think of with genuine experience with possession based play is mowbray, but he's still going to be a no 1. Not only that, he's failed from this position plenty of times even if he came in as manager.

thought we were discussing a striking coach, not a replacement for Liam
 
A handful of games ago we averaged 1.9 points per game, which is very close to automatics form.

Form changes quickly in football. And form depends on the sample of games you chose to select, which coming from you is inevitably going to be the worst possible to support your confirmation bias.

Between late September and early November Preston got 3 draws and 5 defeats in 8. I guess their turnaround is fantasy speak and you'd have sacked Ryan Lowe by the same measure?
I chose current form meaning the last 6 games, if there’s a City fan who hasn’t been bored stiff in our last few home games I will show you a liar
 
I thought the Leicester game was a cracking match

We scored 2 goals and had 5 shots on goal against one of, if not the best side in the league. We had 'only' 51% possession. Might be a coincidence, but to me it's one of few examples which suggests we can benefit by being braver and going for it more, at the potential expense of a portion of the possession. At the very least it shows that the game that bucked the trend was more entertaining.
 
thought we were discussing a striking coach, not a replacement for Liam

The o/p was about bringing experience in to help Liam like Brownie did with Horton.

I don't know anyone from the previous generation who play/coach a modern possession style.

Other than perhaps Mowbray, who's an obvious non starter unless he semi-retires.

Bellers wouldn't tick the experience box.
 
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We scored 2 goals and had 5 shots on goal against one of, if not the best side in the league. We had 'only' 51% possession. Might be a coincidence, but to me it's one of few examples which suggests we can benefit by being braver and going for it more, at the potential expense of a portion of the possession. At the very least it shows that the game that bucked the trend was more entertaining.
You have to also factor in the fact that the better teams will come at us, which naturally gives us more room and opportunity to attack and break on them, whereas the poorer teams sit back and challenge us to break them down, which we rarely manage.
Even teams like Liverpool with all of their firepower can struggle to break down a stubborn defensive unit. They and other top sides sometimes struggle to score despite a multitude of chances, so it’s not surprising that we don’t score many with the few chances we create against those sort of teams.
 
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You have to also factor in the fact that the better teams will come at us, which naturally gives us more room and opportunity to attack and break on them, whereas the poorer teams sit back and challenge us to break them down, which we rarely manage.
Even teams like Liverpool with all of their firepower can struggle to break down a stubborn defensive unit. They and other top sides sometimes struggle to score despite a multitude of chances, so it’s not surprising that we don’t score many with the few chances we create against those sort of teams.

This feels exactly our problem this season.
 
This feels exactly our problem this season.
It seems that the only way to score against the sides that sit in is to put so much pressure on them that eventually you either create something special, they make a mistake or you get that bit of luck that the ball drops kindly for you.
I don’t mind the playing out from the back at all and I actually enjoy a lot of the one touch passing that we do but we have to find a way to move the ball forward more rapidly and try to pull them out of their defensive shape. If we haven’t already scored, there’s no need for them to come out and press us, so they’re happy to keep their shape and let us have the ball until we eventually get to their box.
Surely if we’re analysing these games as much as has been suggested, someone should be able to come up with some options to try?
 
The problem is though, the core of players who got is higher up the table are all gone. Bar Coyle and Jones, but those 2 have just been consistently good, they’re not the reason we win games.
Turnover of players, like it has been in recent years, is again too high.

Do you think that s Liam's plan?

Honestly?
 
In the space of two minutes you've criticised the churn of players in one thread and argued against it in another. <laugh>

Criticised churn and argued against churn how?

With you probably only scanning the preceding thread to gain context, what have you identified that you think is inconsistent?
 
It seems that the only way to score against the sides that sit in is to put so much pressure on them that eventually you either create something special, they make a mistake or you get that bit of luck that the ball drops kindly for you.
I don’t mind the playing out from the back at all and I actually enjoy a lot of the one touch passing that we do but we have to find a way to move the ball forward more rapidly and try to pull them out of their defensive shape. If we haven’t already scored, there’s no need for them to come out and press us, so they’re happy to keep their shape and let us have the ball until we eventually get to their box.
Surely if we’re analysing these games as much as has been suggested, someone should be able to come up with some options to try?

This is exactly the problem but lots of us were skeptical about the playing out early on because of this! It’s why this way of playing will stop you going down but will it ever take you up?
 
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This is exactly the problem but lots of us were skeptical about the playing out early on because of this! It’s why this way of playing will stop you going down but will it ever take you up?
There are plenty of teams who play this style but manage to inject more pace and reap the benefits in goals scored, as well as points on the board. It is a concern that we still haven’t successfully made that leap but I’m still hoping that we can find the formula and ideally starting from today. Hopefully, the fact that we really need to win the majority of our remaining games to stand a realistic chance of a playoff spot will give us the impetus to adopt a more aggressive attacking approach that leads to more chances, more goals and better results.