Interestingly, that table shows a slight improvement after sacking Mowbray. Maybe we should have stuck with Beale.
To me that suggests that changing coach/manager mid season isn't as transformative as some would have you believe. Obviously some positive examples of changing coach there like QPR with Cifuentes, Sheff Wed with Rohl and Millwalls 2nd change to Harris but also some pretty pointless changes there as well like our 2 changes, Millwall sacking Rowett and Birmingham. Almost as if coaches need time not just sacked off after 10 games.
Yeah, I know. I was being deliberately provocative. Your post above is an interesting one and I was about to reply to it. A while back, I found a study by Cambridge University into the effects of changing manager. It basically said that it does work but only under certain conditions. I've also read that, in general, results improve for the first 6 or so games but then go back to how they were previously. It also seems to be the case that the lower down the table a club is, the less impact a manager change will have.
Definitely got worse since Mowbray left. Results were on a downward slump under Tony but he would have highly likely got more than the two who have had crack since. Wasn't 100% against sacking him if anything could see why. Problem is we haven't replaced with better!
Yeah I was all for replacing TM, and looking at his unfortunate health situation we would've been in this situation regardless, but as you say the replacements haven't been better and that's the problem.
To me, it's all about the profile of the squad. Millwall replacing Rowett with Joe Edwards mid season was always going to be a disaster. Edwards is apparently a really good coach but asking him to come in and implement a possession style of football with a squad built for Rowetts long ball style is just stupid recruitment. It's why Harris has done well there since coming back, the squad suits his style.
Wasn’t arsed about sacking Mowbray but thought getting rid of Beale with no plans to replace him was ridiculous. Football wasn’t as pleasing on the eye as it was under TM but we were stable and he would’ve done until the end of the season, it was a write off anyway.
Beale made it impossible not to sack him, unfortunately. Maybe you could argue it wasn't all his fault, the media gave him plenty of rope with which to hang himself, but he did himself no favours at all.
Yeah, I think that's definitely a major factor. I believe the Southampton board admitted they'd made a mistake of that type when they replaced Hassenhutl. I think it also demonstrates that if your players aren't good enough, there is only a very limited amount a coach or manager can do about it. Most have never worked at the level you're working at so you might have a different experience but the managers I've done stuff for often emphasise the importance of recruitment, even the ones who's forte is the coaching/tactical side of things.
No manager with anything about him will come here and manage the club with the current background staff being retained. Good managers bring their own team
I don't think it's about sacking them, I would definitely keep Dodds around, but the new head coach needs to decide their role. If Still for example came in and wanted Dodds back in his developmental role and Speakman said no he needs to be the assistant it's a major problem. Plymouth had a similar issue with the coach they just sacked Forster, he brought zero coaches with him for his first major head coach job. Recipe for disaster.
If there's any positives to be gained from Mowbray's sacking onwards, it's that the timing wasn't terrible. We should avoid relegation and Speakman should have lots of data to analyse as to what went wrong. How they approach this is crucial. It seems to me that a lack of experience regarding first team Championship football was partly to blame. When Dodds was a stop gap he did really well. West Brom and Leeds were well deserved victories, Dodds adapted Mowbray's tactics to get those victories. That said, a youth coach with no first team experience wasn't a long term proposition. Because he's been used out of position for so long it threatens his old job too, the lingering honk of defeat does not discriminate. I hope they all return to their jobs without any repercussions as I don't think any of them actually asked to be put in this position. I also hope the new head coach brings in his own team, it's the best way to make sure they succeed.
I’m sure the new manager will have in mind how many he wants to bring with him, accommodate them and see what’s left. Nothing new it happens pretty much every time a new manager goes into a club. A good backroom team arguably do more than the manager himself, especially during the week preparing for match day
