New England kit

[Drew]

It's remarkable how some people having an issue with it are so bothered about people taking the piss out of their laughable conspiracy theories that they describe those people as bothered. If people don't like the design I really don't care, because I'm a grown-up (ish) and it's just a shirt. People saying this is a conspiracy to promote gay colours are rightly eligible for ridicule. That is all.

This.

I totally understand why people don’t want the colours changing. I may not be as bothered as them, but it does seem a bit pointless to ‘update’ a flag with no real rhyme or reason behind it.

But the theories that it’s to promote LGBT people or it’s a communist agenda or it’s never happened before to us or to other countries just make the arguments a bit pathetic. It shows up that people actually want to blame others when really they just don’t like what Nike did to the flag.

 

[spesupersydera]

Bloody Nike, again!

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[rovertiger]

Bloody Nike, again!

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What have they done? Can't see owt different.

 

[Kalman]

This.

I totally understand why people don’t want the colours changing. I may not be as bothered as them, but it does seem a bit pointless to ‘update’ a flag with no real rhyme or reason behind it.

But the theories that it’s to promote LGBT people or it’s a communist agenda or it’s never happened before to us or to other countries just make the arguments a bit pathetic. It shows up that people actually want to blame others when really they just don’t like what Nike did to the flag.

I don’t give a **** either way. I wasn’t buying one anyway. The new colours do bear some resemblance to the bisexual flag’s colours though and other people also picked up on that and think it’s some ‘globohomo’ plot or whatever.

I don’t know why Nike have done it tbh. I don’t think it was a political or social statement so I don’t see why they’ve gone for the recolouring. There’s no stylistic reason behind it like previous kits that have had a recoloured St George’s cross but with a clear artistic purpose. It just seems like they did it for ****s and gigs.

 

[Kalman]

I do think we have a weird oikophobic trend amongst certain classes in this country that has contributed to the ‘culture war’. Fair enough if they find jingoism and ultranationalist attitudes distasteful but some people get a kick out of denigrating England and English culture. Constantly repeated tropes of ‘hurr durr your numbers are Arabic, your car is German, there’s no real English culture or identity because we’re all immigrants ackshyually because Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans’. It’s just boring and trite and these same smug ****ers would never say the same about other nationalities and peoples.

 

[Charon]

Anyone paying £125 for an England football shirt or in fact any football shirt is a knob irrespective of what they've done to our flag

 

[Off The Line]

I do think we have a weird oikophobic trend amongst certain classes in this country that has contributed to the ‘culture war’. Fair enough if they find jingoism and ultranationalist attitudes distasteful but some people get a kick out of denigrating England and English culture. Constantly repeated tropes of ‘hurr durr your numbers are Arabic, your car is German, there’s no real English culture or identity because we’re all immigrants ackshyually because Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans’. It’s just boring and trite and these same smug ****ers would never say the same about other nationalities and peoples.

I don't find ultranationalist attitudes 'distasteful', I find them abhorrent and I would hope you do too.

 

[jhe10]

I do think we have a weird oikophobic trend amongst certain classes in this country that has contributed to the ‘culture war’. Fair enough if they find jingoism and ultranationalist attitudes distasteful but some people get a kick out of denigrating England and English culture. Constantly repeated tropes of ‘hurr durr your numbers are Arabic, your car is German, there’s no real English culture or identity because we’re all immigrants ackshyually because Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans’. It’s just boring and trite and these same smug ****ers would never say the same about other nationalities and peoples.

As a smug ****er I'd just like to say, what a load of old toss. Saying England is and always has been a melting pot of different peoples and cultures is not denigrating England. Also English smug ****ers probably wouldn't be saying stuff about other nationalities and peoples, leaving it to the smug ****ers in those countries to say whatever they want. Where the smug ****erati do have a problem tends to be with people who use the idea of 'English culture' (which they generally struggle to define, falling back on 'if you don't know what it is there's no point in me explaining it') as a way of excluding those whose families have arrived more recently than theirs.
P.S. If any non-smug ****ers would like to have a go at a definition of 'English culture', have at it.

 

[DMD]

Some people are really angry about the most bizarre abstract concepts. Their volume seems to reveal their doubts and doesn't live up to their irrelevance.

It's like a spoiled child stamping its foot and waving its arms.

 

[Kalman]

As a smug ****er I'd just like to say, what a load of old toss. Saying England is and always has been a melting pot of different peoples and cultures is not denigrating England. Also English smug ****ers probably wouldn't be saying stuff about other nationalities and peoples, leaving it to the smug ****ers in those countries to say whatever they want. Where the smug ****erati do have a problem tends to be with people who use the idea of 'English culture' (which they generally struggle to define, falling back on 'if you don't know what it is there's no point in me explaining it') as a way of excluding those whose families have arrived more recently than theirs.
P.S. If any non-smug ****ers would like to have a go at a definition of 'English culture', have at it.

England has not always been a melting pot.

 

[jhe10]

Some people are really angry about the most bizarre abstract concepts. Their volume seems to reveal their doubts and doesn't live up to their irrelevance.

If that's a reference to the post about English culture, wouldn't it have been better to write it in English?

 

[Cityzen]

If that's a reference to the post about English culture, wouldn't it have been better to write it in English?

What language is it?

 

[jhe10]

England has not always been a melting pot.

I'll concede that, it was a bit more uniform in 7000BC. Want to have a stab at the 'English culture' question? There's a prize.*

(*There isn't a prize)

 

[originallambrettaman]

What language is it?

Cantona

 

[Kalman]

I'll concede that, it was a bit more uniform in 7000BC. Want to have a stab at the 'English culture' question? There's a prize.*

(*There isn't a prize)

The core of English culture and language is West Germanic with some North Germanic and Norman French sprinkled in.

So basically Northwestern European. Huge ‘melting pot’.

You also seem confused as to what a melting pot actually is.

 

[springtiger]

Why the aggression ? There are an awful lot of people unhappy with how this country is deteriorating re read my post again , I tried to give some basic hints . For instance you’ve probably grown up seeing almost every shop ‘shuttered’ , many have grown up seeing none shuttered other than the odd jewellers . Can you give an explanation of English culture ? It’s a massive topic , some parts are personal and subjective some will be common and some will polarise. But for me if you see yourself as English first and your religion is only a personal thing then that’s fine but if you add in any form of ‘qualification ‘ then the emphasis is lost and your Englishness will be diluted .

 

[jhe10]

The core of English culture and language is West Germanic with some North Germanic and Norman French sprinkled in.

So basically Northwestern European. Huge ‘melting pot’.

That's not a definition, that's just geography. What is this 'English culture'? If you can't define it, give some examples. I genuinely don't know what people mean by 'English culture' used in these ways. Do you mean stuff to do with the arts, or how people behave to each other, or what?

 

[Kalman]

That's not a definition, that's just geography. What is this 'English culture'? If you can't define it, give some examples. I genuinely don't know what people mean by 'English culture' used in these ways. Do you mean stuff to do with the arts, or how people behave to each other, or what?

Probably because you’re not as bright as you think you are. I meant exactly what I said.

 

[Cityzen]

I'll concede that, it was a bit more uniform in 7000BC. Want to have a stab at the 'English culture' question? There's a prize.*

(*There isn't a prize)

As there was no England in 7000BC your observation is somewhat puerile.

 

[jhe10]

Why the aggression ? There are an awful lot of people unhappy with how this country is deteriorating re read my post again , I tried to give some basic hints . For instance you’ve probably grown up seeing almost every shop ‘shuttered’ , many have grown up seeing none shuttered other than the odd jewellers . Can you give an explanation of English culture ? It’s a massive topic , some parts are personal and subjective some will be common and some will polarise. But for me if you see yourself as English first and your religion is only a personal thing then that’s fine but if you add in any form of ‘qualification ‘ then the emphasis is lost and your Englishness will be diluted .

You seem to be tiptoeing around something, why not wade in and tell us what you mean. More shops are shuttered so that means ... what? Crime rates have generally been falling in the last twenty years but there has been a blip more recently, coinciding with huge cuts in public spending and front line police. Is that the fault of people who don't fit your definition of English?