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New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Dorset

    Dorset Well-Known Member

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    I am still firmly in the Steve Cooper camp.

    I've done some research on Will Still, so know more about him now and can understand the hype, but I do see it as a bit of a risk, because of his lack of experience.

    Then again, there are no certainties in football, so whoever gets the job will get my backing.
     
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  2. The Norton Cat

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    Pretty much my thoughts too!
     
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  3. RTB

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    I'll start supporting Reading if Rooney is appointed :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  4. 123Daveyboy

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    Looking at that list frightens me.
     
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  5. Bob the Mackem

    Bob the Mackem Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad you do, but SAFC need real leadership, and an owner who like Sir Bob puts his heart and soul in to this club.
     
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  6. Bob the Mackem

    Bob the Mackem Well-Known Member

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    If you mean I am hysterical I'm not, I unlike yourself can see the pitfalls of continuing down this model route, it, in my opinion is a bad move for our club.
    But remember it's just my opinion.
    And I count for nowt.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    That man doesn't exist in reality, football is just a business these days.

    The current owner is way better than the last wasters we had ...

    .... no heart, no soul, no money, no idea.
     
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  8. The Norton Cat

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    So why do you think it is a bad move for the club? It's not exactly unusual, why won't it work at SAFC?
     
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  9. Bob the Mackem

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    Why, because we have had so many bad injuries, young players who find it difficult under pressure to perform, but we had structure under TM, and we played fast football, without new experienced players to help them out.
    We needed experience to let TM take us on.
    That's just my opinion.
     
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  10. Sour Patch

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    So were you just not at the games under TM this season?
     
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  11. TopCat.

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    You DO know that bookies have no insight and the prices are simply a reflection of the money that is being placed on certain names. Keane isn't suddenly a contender, it's just that someone has lumped £100 on him so the bookies bring in his odds just in case someone has insight
     
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  12. FellTop

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    I agree we needed better players for Mowbray to repeat or improvd on last season. It was a poor summer turnover in that respect. I wouldnt have sacked Mowbray personally, but he did try some tactical changes that didnt work and we probably didnt have the players for. Getting Hume to roll into midfield is the one that sticks in the memory. There was a need to find refinements in our game because in the early games you could see teams knew more about us and were setting up differently. Whether we had the players to change I dont believe so personally, but what I dont get is the persistence with slower football since those early games. Even with the imbalanced squad we have a more high tempo aggressive passing game would suit us, in my opinion at least.
     
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  13. The Norton Cat

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    We have signed experienced players during KLD's time though. Baath, Defoe, and Evans are the most obvious examples. Even Rusyn and Styles have significant international experience. So this assumption that they will only sign players under a certain age is inaccurate. Not bringing an experienced holding midfielder or centre forward (assuming the club thought that's what we needed) doesn't necessarily mean that 'the model' isn't working. If signing Moore, for example, would have been beyond the budget, it shows that those making the decisions are serious about running the club properly.
     
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  14. Dorset

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    I have no idea because I don't gamble. Thanks for the explanation :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  15. Sour Patch

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    Been looking at coaches who play a more direct style in the last few days, not necessarily just long ball football but more quick vertical passing as I agree that our squad just isn't set up for the controlling approach.

    Really interested in what you mentioned yesterday with the Brentford assistant because they play very direct into Toney and when they are on top form they give the best teams in the PL problems.
     
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  16. FellTop

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    I am keeping an eye on Hellberg who was supposedly on the list when Mowbray went. He has followed Cifuentes so keen to see how he goes.

    Also keeping an eye on Barry at Bayern as Tuchel is on his way you would imagins he will be. Ireland might be an option but you would imagine he fancies stepping up at some point to a club job on his own.
     
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  17. Sour Patch

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    Jimmy Thelin was the one I liked when we were linked, from Elfsborg. Think it would be tricky to get someone out of Sweden this summer though considering their season starts at the end of this month.
     
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  18. Monkey69

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    That pretty much hits the nail on the head for me. Sometimes we ask players to play out of position and to be honest it does not really work that well on most occasions. I get the feeling that we have done this with Dodds and Proctor and think we need to place back where it was all a bit more natural and allow them to develop towards the more senior roles. Like everything it takes time and patience.
    I know our fanbase is expectant as they should be and I don't think that our squad is as bad as most make out it is just very young and inexperienced (mainly because it is difficult to build a stable first team without a good solid youth foundation and that was pretty much stripped bare by SD and CM) so I understand the need to bring in youth and build a solid base but I do also feel that we need some on field experience to help the coaches adapt new ideas and formations.
    It looks IMO that the coaches have lost confidence in the players when in reality they should be looking at themselves and asking the question why have these players lost confidence?? Is it the players or is it us !! and I guess that is the big question.
     
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  19. Monkey69

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    People seem to forget that they brought in Dack (a poor choice by TM) to add experience in midfield as TM had asked them to. So in effect have proven that there is some flex in what they are doing the problem is he is out of shape and injured most of the time and it seems like he is enjoying his last main pay day with us which is something I was hoping we were getting away from.
     
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  20. Monkey69

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    As has been mentioned numerous times he asked for Dack and got Dack ?? kind of makes your point fairly moot
     
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