Everton and Forest have been charged by the Premier League for breaking financial rules.
Sean Dyche will expect them to go on a run, now.
Sean Dyche will expect them to go on a run, now.
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it wasn't thought of working class game it just was .Hence pretty much every ground years ago was ringed by terraced housing or similar so supporters could walk to the ground .
Man U's manager says they were unlucky.Spurs manager says they were unlucky.Who was right? Thanks to Peacock I couldn't get the match.
We were the better team and had more of everything.
Possession, chances, passes, corners, free-kicks... anything and everything.
The other side of the coin is that they took the lead twice and missed a sitter at the death.
The scoreline doesn't care who played well and who didn't, only who got more goals.
Was quite a good bit of rallying motivation for Everton
the last time they were deducted points.
Football was played at 3 pm because working class men worked on Saturday morning. It gave time for a jar or 2 in the pub, then onto the match, which duly ended in time to return to the re-opened pub.
work, beer, football. That was that...until Sunday.
work, beer, football. That was that...until Sunday.
You break one rule once, the Premier League come down on you like a ton of room temperature lard
You break multiple rules dozens of times, though, there's no way the Premier League can address everything before they reframe what FFP is so you filibuster your way to receiving no punishment
It didn't start as a working class game though....the first nine FA Cup finals were contested entirely by ex public school boys or officers in the forces.
My point is that it wasn't a good thing that it came to be owned by working class men. And the fact that the poorest in society can no longer go to matches is a very bad thing but one of the least of their worries in practice. Football is one of the most enjoyable sports in the world and it was inevitable that it would become money dominated.
That is not beginning of football at all. It is a game of the people banned by 6 Kings despite which the people ignored it and played on.
You are talking about the time when the middle classes tried to tame it and set up the FA rules. I don't know why you are trying to change history, but of course that's what the middle classes do I suppose. RUGBY is the middle class game because they could afford grass. The people had to play on hard surfaces and that's why they banned handling the ball and tackling the man.
I'm not altering history...football rules were codified at Cambridge University because it had already become a game played by public schools long before the FA was set up. Football clubs were always owned by the rich and they encouraged working class people to play to stop them wasting their time when Saturday afternoon work in factories was legislated against. Seeing the game as belonging to the working class is falling into a trap set by the ruling class....giving the poor something interesting to do is much cheaper than treating them properly.
And I am definitely from a working class background. Both my parents left school at 14....my mum never worked after she had children and my dad was a labourer when he came over from Ireland and had risen to the dizzy heights of a charge hand in a warehouse when he retired.
"So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult."
- Orwell
The game had been played by the people long before that, hundreds of years in fact. The public schools had grass as I said so yes they played it but the FA codified it they did not invent it. The game was initially played between villages and estate workers without rules. Simply the 'ball' had to be taken to the 'goal' which was the opposing village. People died and property was damaged which is why successive Kings called for bans. ITS THE PEOPLES GAME
Apologies for thinking you were middle class. You are clearly a rich yob
You are making my point for me. The game was deliberately sanitised as the industrial revolution kicked in to become a state tool of worker control. The workers were only allowed to play it and watch it if they they followed the ruling classes rules.The game had been played by the people long before that, hundreds of years in fact. The public schools had grass as I said so yes they played it but the FA codified it they did not invent it. The game was initially played between villages and estate workers without rules. Simply the 'ball' had to be taken to the 'goal' which was the opposing village. People died and property was damaged which is why successive Kings called for bans. ITS THE PEOPLES GAME
To have a nostalgia for how things were after that is exactly what Orwell was warning about.
That's how the whole system works and we agree but I was not having that discussion. The point is that it is the working peoples game, the sanitation is obvious and has changed from English toffs to anyone with enough money, toff or not. I have no nostalgia except for individual players and a few teams. The game is still to beat the system as much as the opponent hence VAR and players trying to get around the rules.
I don't happily follow rules EXCEPT in games when I am always angered if people break the rules. It's an anomaly of the human condition.
Yes I want to play the game, ok I accept the rules, but you had better stick to them too. In life, who are you? I am not following your rules, **** off. I suspect this is why we love games so much.
Apologies for thinking you were middle class. You are clearly a rich yob
There are only working and non-working "class" social groupings.
Every other designation is (grievance) 'group identity politics' .
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