Off Topic Politics Thread

Obviously seems very likely that Israel did it, but w need to know because this genuinely pushes us a lot closer to WW3 in my opinion

 

First sign of any criticism of Israel is called antisemitism and the debate stops there

 

Yeah I hear ya, I'm just wary of it being true and then being used to excuse/ignore other IDF behaviour.

 

Yep. Us and (in particular) the US are entirely complicit in all of this.

Palestinian leader has cancelled meeting with Biden tomorrow apparently. Feel this could really escalate in coming days.

 

Slightky off topic but I've never understood why the term 'anti-semtism' only applied to discrimination against Jewish people.

Unless I'm mistaken Arabs are semites as well? Plus some Christians too?

Sure there is a reason behind it which I'm ignorant of but it's always caused me confusion.

 

There's a massive difference between shoplifting and robbery, it's not just semantics.

Those who think the police aren't "bothered" with these sorts of crimes couldn't be more wrong. Most forces use the THOR/THRIVE model of grading calls simply because there's no where near enough officers to go about. The average Borough will have 15-20 officers per shift, abstractions and leave will put that to about 14 officers. That's seven cars.
-1 x car assigned to Missing people
-1 x car on a cell watch/bed watch
-1 x car dealing with prisoners in custody from the previous shift
-1 x car at the local M/H hospital trying to wait for a bed to come free.

That leaves 3 cars for 10s of thousands of people, with multiple calls throughout that shift. The calls have to be graded on threat, harm or risk. If there's a domestic incident, someone threatening suicide and a Missing child where do you think shoplifting will sit on that list of jobs? Rightly, at the bottom. It's not a lack of being bothered, risk to life comes before risk to property

 

It's also rather difficult *not* to be in proximity to civilian infrastructure, in Gaza. It's not a sort of place with a lot of free real estate. Israel knows where all of that civilian infrastructure is, though, and given the precision of large munitions these days, you can't really accidentally hit a hospital with a bomb large enough to level it (and it most certainly wasn't a Hamas rocket...they don't have munitions that are even remotely large enough to do this). They made the conscious decision to drop bombs on or in close proximity to the hospital, and with utterly predictable results.

 

I live in a rural area, and we have one beat manager PC and one PCSO managing an area over well over 100 square miles, with a population around 10,000 if you add all the villages together. My village sees a uniform copper about once every couple of years.

 

I’m not sure you can say that with such certainty.

Israel are relying heavily on outside support, it would seem very short sighted of them to do it. It basically guarantees huge support for Hamas.

 

Hamas' Qassam rockets are small. They are effectively anti-personnel rockets...you can't blow up a hospital with a payload of 20kg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Quds_3

 

I agree that seems the most likely explanation by far.

 

The IDF has already walked back the narrative that it was a Hamas rocket, and is now suggesting that they retaliated owing to rockets that passed 'in the vicinity' of the hospital. They posted proof on Twitter...and then removed the proof from their tweet when reporters noted that it was chronologically impossible.

https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3kbxxwr5irx2h

 

Not forgetting Southampton as you
have decided to be deeply offensive.

 

But if Hamas were using it to stockpile weapons there, whos to say that didn’t cause the larger explosion?

The videos suggest it was Hamas. But equally both sides are accusing the other.

Like I said, it looks like Israel but we have to be 100% sure here because this would cause a huge escalation

 

Interesting that the Israelis are contradicting each other. The IDF statement said it was Islamic Jihad and the PM's office and others are saying it was Hamas.

Make your mind up chaps...

 

Fog of war.

Video showing it was Hamas here:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1714379637839573451?s=46

Fairly compelling as it was taken from a live stream.

In all honesty, I don’t think it will matter now. Even if it was Hamas, people around the world will blame Israel and escalate

 

That video is the one the IDF deleted from their tweet, because the timestamps don't match up in the slightest. Bombing of the hospital happened several hours after...12:13am, versus 7:59pm in the timestamps for the video of rockets being fired.

 

Tear gas fired outside the US embassy in Lebanon…

Does anyone else think it’s absolutely mental that Biden is visiting Israel?

 

How does the local police deal with immigration in your area then?

 

Luckily the further away from big cities, the safer you are currently.

That will change soon