As Bismarck said “Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.”
Match Day Thread Ipswich v Hull City
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As Bismarck said “Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.”
I thought we played ok but they played much much better and deserved the win. If we have learnt from it then that's a win for us too. 16 points from ten games from a team that is still gelling isn't bad at all. I'd take 64 points from 40 games. We would be in or around 6th place with 6 games to go
I don’t think anyone on here thinks that the performance put in on Tuesday doesn’t deserve criticism, Rosenior included.
What people are defending is perspective. Losing at Norwich and Ipswich but winning 4 including an away win to the probable Champions is all part of a solid start.
Everyone pretty much agreed that a Play-Off push this season would be a satisfactory season - we are exactly where we wanted to be but suddenly Rosenior and the team aren’t good enough.
What people are defending is perspective. Losing at Norwich and Ipswich but winning 4 including an away win to the probable Champions is all part of a solid start.
Everyone pretty much agreed that a Play-Off push this season would be a satisfactory season - we are exactly where we wanted to be but suddenly Rosenior and the team aren’t good enough.
'On the night' is entirely relevant and 'key' because we are discussing the Ipswich game.
We didn't manage to put the ball in the net on Tuesday night ...(1) because we weren't playing as a team(more a bunch of individuals) and as a result,we were a mile off it offensively and (2) it's worth mentioning,a bit of credit must go to Ipswich who were extremely well organised defensively(not a lot has been said on that subject).
I'd welcome success for Liam Rosenior,I have no axe to grind with him,he deserves a chance but that said he must be judged on what we achieve on the pitch,surely as fans we have the right to analyse and comment on our performances and if that involves either praise or criticism,it's all relevant.
He also needs to shoulder the blame for sub standard performances,I'd be disappointed if he didn't...He selects the players involved and it goes without saying that if it goes wrong,he takes it on the chin.
I see a bit of arrogance in Liam and have done for some time,that's merely an opinion and has no bearing on my wish to see the Club succeed.
We put Tuesday's game behind us,we move on and hope for improvement all over the pitch...We need it!
It's called feeling the heat.
It's called feeling the heat. If it pacifies his critics, well done him! Now, what about that tosspot education remark???
Absolutely this!
The commentary I was listening to the other night was unfortunately from Ipswich.They had there own tv station. What was interesting was that the summarisers were stressing throughout how everyone in the town is pulling together and the team is illustrating what can happen when this is achieved. It felt like a club going forward.
Acun has entrusted Rosenior with the managerial,position and clearly believes in his methods. He is seen by many experts as one of the brightest coaches in the country. He is entrusted with trying to change the culture of the whole club. That includes the fan base, which I suspect will be his biggest challenge and ultimately will decide whether he is successful or not. To do that, he has to be very confident (and sometimes stubborn and hopefully arrogant) in his own methods. Overall, he has to be unwavering. I would be disappointed if he wasn’t as no one could change the whole culture and ethos of a football club without doing so. Do we really want him to bow down to pressure from our support every time we have a bad result? To be fair, he has also shown that he can be flexible.and self critical, and it is pretty obvious from their body that he does listen to other’s contributions on the side lines.
I agree, we come onto a message board to discuss football and opinions differ. Everyone is entitled to there’s. However as Willy states, there has to be some perspective to this. Less than a week ago, we were in fourth spot, after the best start to a championship (or equivalent) season in our 120 year history. One bad result sees a massive pile on. Like vultures, it was pretty evident that some on here were waiting to pounce. Maybe Acun, Tan, Daws and co need to do more in supporting his methods publicly as it is clearly a key part of changing the ethos of the club and becoming successful which they have all brought into.
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Happened to be speaking to an Ipswich fan.
Some interesting comments, a couple of which are not at all in line with what a couple of posts about him on here were saying.
- Some said along the lines that Ipswich gave McKenna time and stood by him. Not true. He's only been in position since mid December 21. The club weren't in a great place at that time (playing and managerial wise). He immediately improved results to finish safe mid-table. Next season they went up. This season they've started like a house on fire.
- Apparently he doesn't have a fixed 'Rosieball-like' system. He adapts the system / tactics a) to the players at his disposal, and b) the opposition. To me that's what a good manager does.
- He also sees the value in wise experienced heads out on the field. Looking at his squad on Tuesday, 7 were 28 plus, 4 of which were over 30.
- Like Rosenior, he's new to being a first team manager, but has first built up very good pedigree.
- He doesn't spout off about his philosophy, his unique way, etc.
As I say, Rosenior speaks well, which seemed to convince Acun to appoint him, but the reality is that he has achieved nothing so far (as a manager), yet from some he seems to enjoy blind faith and gets bigged up before he's really done anything? As far as I can see, he really is nothing special at present, except in his own mind it appears. Of course I want him to succeed (please spare me utterly stupid comments to the contrary). TWT.
Some interesting comments, a couple of which are not at all in line with what a couple of posts about him on here were saying.
- Some said along the lines that Ipswich gave McKenna time and stood by him. Not true. He's only been in position since mid December 21. The club weren't in a great place at that time (playing and managerial wise). He immediately improved results to finish safe mid-table. Next season they went up. This season they've started like a house on fire.
- Apparently he doesn't have a fixed 'Rosieball-like' system. He adapts the system / tactics a) to the players at his disposal, and b) the opposition. To me that's what a good manager does.
- He also sees the value in wise experienced heads out on the field. Looking at his squad on Tuesday, 7 were 28 plus, 4 of which were over 30.
- Like Rosenior, he's new to being a first team manager, but has first built up very good pedigree.
- He doesn't spout off about his philosophy, his unique way, etc.
As I say, Rosenior speaks well, which seemed to convince Acun to appoint him, but the reality is that he has achieved nothing so far (as a manager), yet from some he seems to enjoy blind faith and gets bigged up before he's really done anything? As far as I can see, he really is nothing special at present, except in his own mind it appears. Of course I want him to succeed (please spare me utterly stupid comments to the contrary). TWT.
Can't really rule that out yet for ourselves this season. Can we?
I've read an interview with an Ipswich player who said that they knew before they played us that we were one of the best teams in the division.
Every team is one of the best in the division of you interview a player who's just about to or has just played them. It's a bit like a new transfer saying "as soon as I knew ( insert club they have just signed for ) it was the only place I wanted to go
Have you read the interview? If I could be bothered to find it I would because I've never seen such a glowing assessment from an opposition player.
I hope your person itk isn't as negative as you. Not good to have people like that around the club.
I'll keep an eye out for their fixture against the worst then
Should be a goal-fest!
Yes, because that's how football works.I'll keep an eye out for their fixture against the worst then
Should be a goal-fest!
I'll keep an eye out for their fixture against the worst then
Should be a goal-fest!
Scrappy 1-0 away win to the worst team in the league.
ALWAYS happens
Nobody should be immune from criticism, or praise for that matter. I'm somewhere in the middle of this seemingly tribal, very tiresome **** on here. The endless war between the 'bed wetters' and the 'happy clappers'. There are big positives I consider, but then I have bug bears with what I'm seeing too...
Negatives...
We put ourselves under needless pressure by being too pedestrian and casual.
We kill off potential goalscoring opportunities by being too pedestrian and casual.
This could be bias, but I think we could be preventing a lot of the goals that we concede.
Many teams we don't beat, it feels that way because we let them back into the game at some point and got punished for it.
We seem to be too willing to pass backwards rather than make that forward pass and it sometimes seems like possession is more important than going for the jugular.
We're still not winning at home and a lot of these games feel like points dropped.
Some players have had a poor start to the season compared to what they were doing for us last season.
Oscar should have stayed with no replacement coming in.
Injuries are becoming a concern again.
Players are being played out of position, granted in the past couple of weeks some of that is down to necessity.
We have the ability to control games but we don't tend to capitalise with goals during those spells as often as we perhaps should.
I don't think we beat the press effectively.
I don't think there's much of a plan B when the opposition sits off us more.
Positives...
I think our new signings have only improved us.
We're in a good position after some difficult games.
On paper we have a much 'easier' run coming up and we should be expecting to take points from most of them.
We don't lose many games.
It feels like we've got another gear to switch into yet.
The club feels like it's really on the up.
I really like the owner.
Sinik looked good the other night and might be worth the time invested in him afterall.
We have a bright manager who knows what he wants and how he wants to achieve it. Time will tell how far it can get us.
The team is gelling nicely with hopefully more to come.
Negatives...
We put ourselves under needless pressure by being too pedestrian and casual.
We kill off potential goalscoring opportunities by being too pedestrian and casual.
This could be bias, but I think we could be preventing a lot of the goals that we concede.
Many teams we don't beat, it feels that way because we let them back into the game at some point and got punished for it.
We seem to be too willing to pass backwards rather than make that forward pass and it sometimes seems like possession is more important than going for the jugular.
We're still not winning at home and a lot of these games feel like points dropped.
Some players have had a poor start to the season compared to what they were doing for us last season.
Oscar should have stayed with no replacement coming in.
Injuries are becoming a concern again.
Players are being played out of position, granted in the past couple of weeks some of that is down to necessity.
We have the ability to control games but we don't tend to capitalise with goals during those spells as often as we perhaps should.
I don't think we beat the press effectively.
I don't think there's much of a plan B when the opposition sits off us more.
Positives...
I think our new signings have only improved us.
We're in a good position after some difficult games.
On paper we have a much 'easier' run coming up and we should be expecting to take points from most of them.
We don't lose many games.
It feels like we've got another gear to switch into yet.
The club feels like it's really on the up.
I really like the owner.
Sinik looked good the other night and might be worth the time invested in him afterall.
We have a bright manager who knows what he wants and how he wants to achieve it. Time will tell how far it can get us.
The team is gelling nicely with hopefully more to come.
Agree with every single point, except letting teams back into games. That’s part of the ebb and flow and other than the most utterly dominant displays, happens in every single match. Every team has their moment(s) of ascendency and where the opposition drops off a bit.
Also, off the top of my head, I feel most the goals we’ve conceded that see us drop points are against the run of play, rather than us ceding under pressure. On the whole I think we deal with our ‘off’ spells pretty well.
The funniest part of this post is the people liking it not picking up on sarcasm.
That will be why we lost to Leicester a few years ago. They were something like 8 defeats in a row and bottom of the league,
Well it goes on and on and on , like the Darlow affair !
If we had a good win would the level of praise be anywhere near ? , not a chance anything the team did was only down to the players and not Rosie for some on here,
I can’t believe that because the manager and the owner believe they have a way and stand by it , it’s seen as arrogance mostly on a personal level and linked to the way he talks , Pretty poor way to judge him - wait for the results and out comes ,
I do not want Rosie or the owner pandering to this forum , otherwise he’ll be gone in a few weeks , and Acun will get tired of it all. Mind you some will be happy
If we had a good win would the level of praise be anywhere near ? , not a chance anything the team did was only down to the players and not Rosie for some on here,
I can’t believe that because the manager and the owner believe they have a way and stand by it , it’s seen as arrogance mostly on a personal level and linked to the way he talks , Pretty poor way to judge him - wait for the results and out comes ,
I do not want Rosie or the owner pandering to this forum , otherwise he’ll be gone in a few weeks , and Acun will get tired of it all. Mind you some will be happy