Match Day Thread Hull City v Leeds

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I think using the odd long ball has always been part of the plan. When they press high, we go long and try to get a striker to hold it up. Delap is brilliant at that.

I think it's very harsh to accuse us of not being brave enough to play out against the top teams. LR has made it clear that that's exactly what we do want to do, and we won at Leicester doing it. Last night we came up against a team who for the first half played better than us. Our pressing was poor according to LR, and Leeds played well. That happens. Doesn't mean we bottled it or didn't want to play football.

It wasn’t just the odd long ball last night. It was our go-to for most of the first half and it didn’t work. If Delap did hold it up, there weren’t many options around him. I also lost count the amount of times Coyle and Christie turned inside to play an easy pass to the centre-halves. We need more bodies in midfield to play the way Rosenior wants us to play and a flat 4-4-2 doesn’t offer that. 4-4-2 is still a useful formation even today but not for patient, possession football.
 
It wasn’t just the odd long ball last night. It was our go-to for most of the first half and it didn’t work. If Delap did hold it up, there weren’t many options around him. I also lost count the amount of times Coyle and Christie turned inside to play an easy pass to the centre-halves. We need more bodies in midfield to play the way Rosenior wants us to play and a flat 4-4-2 doesn’t offer that. 4-4-2 is still a useful formation even today but not for patient, possession football.

I dunno. We've played it or a variant of it all season and we're doing alright. It's not exactly rigid. Delap, Twine and Philogene are always swapping about.

That said, I'm sure most of us would start Morton next game and that might end up with us looking more like a midfield 3 again.
 
It wasn’t just the odd long ball last night. It was our go-to for most of the first half and it didn’t work. If Delap did hold it up, there weren’t many options around him. I also lost count the amount of times Coyle and Christie turned inside to play an easy pass to the centre-halves. We need more bodies in midfield to play the way Rosenior wants us to play and a flat 4-4-2 doesn’t offer that. 4-4-2 is still a useful formation even today but not for patient, possession football.

I agree. The 442 or 424 that we've been playing recently only really allows us to attack down the wings.. its a bit one dimensional. I think we look much better when we play 433 or 4231. Maybe some teams can play with a 2 man midfield but Seri & Slater arent the two to do it with.
 
Greaves might have a promising carreer within MMA after he hangs up his boots
Coyle's nose took a proper hit from that arm
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Ouch. That looks awful!
Might get a BOGOF with Brucie maybe?
Wonder if he'll now be out a few week whilst it's fixed or if he'll wait till the end of the season?
Might be Christie's way back in, which, as good as Coyle has been, might not be a bad thing
 
Seriously, I don't think he is either.
I've said it before, he reminds me a lot of Coyle (and vice versa obvs).
Both somehow 'limited', but end up being very good, honest (as in hard working, give their all, etc), footballers.

I just happen to know of some of the community/charity work he’s done and nobody has a bad word to say about him. Regularly doing stuff for disabled kids and visiting children’s hospitals etc.
 
Philogene looked better when Lokilo came on and he switched to the right. Twine looked lost and Delap has to play more centrally. I don't get LR's obsession with playing anyone but wingers on the wing.

Slater's getting the Ashbee/Marney treatment.
Yeah. Have to admit Ayling (plus one) did a job on Philo.
 
Baffles me that we had to stop the game for Gnonto being on the floor with a sore leg, but Coyle getting cleaned out by an obvious blow to the head wasn't worthy of a stoppage. I'm always conscious of being biased but I'm really struggling to see how there can possibly be a justification for that. The rules are pretty clear that the one time you definitely do stop is for a head injury, but last night the rule seemed to be you stop the game as long as Leeds aren't on the attack.
No way we should have thrown the ball back to them after they kicked it out
Pathetic
 
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Ouch. That looks awful!
Might get a BOGOF with Brucie maybe?
Wonder if he'll now be out a few week whilst it's fixed or if he'll wait till the end of the season?
Might be Christie's way back in, which, as good as Coyle has been, might not be a bad thing
Thing is, wasn't it a collision with Greaves that caused that?
 
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Ouch. That looks awful!
Might get a BOGOF with Brucie maybe?
Wonder if he'll now be out a few week whilst it's fixed or if he'll wait till the end of the season?
Might be Christie's way back in, which, as good as Coyle has been, might not be a bad thing
Coyle would try and play with a broken leg....
 
I agree but that is an issue in itself. Last night’s game plan, especially in the first half, was odd. It was like a hybrid of playing out from the back and long ball. What I mean by that is, we played out from the keeper and the back four played short, simple passes amongst themselves but then they just hoofed it to Delap. We rarely played the ball on the ground in midfield and to the forward line. We did that more when they went to ten men but by that point, they just sat deep and played for the point.

If we are to play possession-based football and build from the back, Rosenior and the team need to be confident and brave enough to do it against the better teams in the division. We gave Leeds far too much respect. On the plus side, we defended really well and were solid barring Rutter’s chance clean through on goal but going forward we lacked bravery to play the ball on the ground.

I also think a flat 4-4-2 doesn’t suit this possession football. I don’t want to blame it on formations but Delap as a target man and Connolly as a second striker feeding on knock downs and making runs in behind the defence is more suited to the long-ball or quick counter-attacking football most English teams played in the 2000s. For possession football to be effective, you really need three in midfield. Whether it’s two holding mids and a #10 or one holding mid and two ‘#8s’, you need that extra man in midfield to link up.

Twine was also ineffective. His positioning was woeful and he just didn’t offer much on the ball. Square pegs in round holes by playing him on the right. Either play him as a #10 or inside left-winger like he’s played most his career, or play someone else on the right.
Rosenior stated that the reason he picked Allsop was because Leeds are known to defend high, and he has ability to pick a pass over the top. It actually nearly came off in the first few minutes. Hence the ‘hybrid playing out from the back and long ball’. Actually, I’d much rather see some variety to keep the opposition guessing.
 
The ref also allowed Leeds to play on and win a corner whilst Coyle was on the floor with what could've been a serious head injury
He was down for ages and we didn’t prep a sub.Took far too long to get replacement on.Poor all around.
If play was stopped would have been restarted with a drop ball which no doubt we would have just played downfield.
 
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