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The RDBD said:
Nobody is demanding GK go on a 50 yd Messi run.

It costs nothing to train aspiring GK to be able
to accurately pass the ball to a team-mate, in
addition to the expected core competences.
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I don't see why keepers can't do a full training schedule on top of their own.
They could be in with the outfield players and then do their thing afterwards.
Games aren't as physically demanding for them, in my opinion.

I'm sure our resident goalkeeping experts will tell me why that's bullshit! <laugh>
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
my point was that one of the main attractions for Ten hag was the fact that unlike his predecessor he is reputedly good with his feet .
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It's the current trend. De Gea's still not got a club and may be joining Salah in Saudi.

You'd think that Ten Hag would want a winger that's good with his feet, really.
Instead he's got one that's good with his hands. Allegedly.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
It's the current trend. De Gea's still not got a club and may be joining Salah in Saudi.

You'd think that Ten Hag would want a winger that's good with his feet, really.
Instead he's got one that's good with his hands. Allegedly.
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think Salah will be here until at least Jan though if they offer absolutely silly money FSG probably take it .
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I don't see why keepers can't do a full training schedule on top of their own.
They could be in with the outfield players and then do their thing afterwards.
Games aren't as physically demanding for them, in my opinion.

I'm sure our resident goalkeeping experts will tell me why that's bullshit! <laugh>
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Non-contact (or "touch tackle" ) drills for passing
to team-mates when (not / ) under pressure should be core.
Accurate "route one" and Toby-ball should also be worked on.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
I think Onana's had a great start, barring his unpunished fluff against Wolves.
Ten Hag? Not so much.
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He adds something with his distribution from the back but as a shot stopper, he isn’t as good as de Gea.
Early days though.It takes time to settle in to the ways of the PL.
Every window Utd fans have to wait to see how new players bed in. “Rebuild” on a constant loop.
 
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remembercolinlee said:
I think he was badly at fault for Arsenal's second goal, deflection or not a top keeper should not be beaten at his near post considering where Rice took his shot from
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I think he got a bit distracted by Gabriel fouling one of their defenders right in front of him.
That's on him, though. You have to concentrate and not allow your mind to wander.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
I think he got a bit distracted by Gabriel fouling one of their defenders right in front of him.
That's on him, though. You have to concentrate and not allow your mind to wander.
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From the pitchside angle I saw of the incident, both Gabriel and Evans were grabbing each other. It looked like one of those 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' situations. Evans then drags Gabriel to the floor.

I agree with RCL, though. Rice's shot wasn't that powerful and although it took a nick, Onana didn't have to massively readjust himself to keep it out. He got a hand to it and should have stopped it from going in.
 
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BrunelGunner said:
From the pitchside angle I saw of the incident, both Gabriel and Evans were grabbing each other. It looked like one of those 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' situations. Evans then drags Gabriel to the floor.

I agree with RCL, though. Rice's shot wasn't that powerful and although it took a nick, Onana didn't have to massively readjust himself to keep it out. He got a hand to it and should have stopped it from going in.
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Gabriel grabs Evans to stop him closing down Rice, who goes on to score.
It's why he was in acres of space on his own and has time to take it down and shoot.
Evans tries to shove him off him. That's not the same thing, at all.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Gabriel grabs Evans to stop him closing down Rice, who goes on to score.
It's why he was in acres of space on his own and has time to take it down and shoot.
Evans tries to shove him off him. That's not the same thing, at all.
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That's not what happens. Saka takes the corner, Evans is looking at Gabriel and tries to stop him from getting a run on him. When the ball goes over their heads toward Rice, they're both grappling with each other a little and then Gabriel gets dragged to the floor.

It's not a foul for Evans at all.

Rice had all that space because United left him unmarked in the box. Look at how much space he had as soon as the ball is whipped in.
 
BrunelGunner said:
That's not what happens. Saka takes the corner, Evans is looking at Gabriel and tries to stop him from getting a run on him. When the ball goes over their heads toward Rice, they're both grappling with each other a little and then Gabriel gets dragged to the floor.

It's not a foul for Evans at all.
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Nope. Evans is in front of Gabriel, who pushes him forward and then holds him.
Totally blocks him from getting to the goalscorer, which your own fan footage shows.
 
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Nope. Evans is in front of Gabriel, who pushes him forward and then holds him.
Totally blocks him from getting to the goalscorer, which your own fan footage shows.
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I've watched it from 3 different angles and am not seeing what you've described. He's blocked Evans off after Evans tried to do the same thing (which is conveniently not shown on the video you've sent) as the corner is about to be swung in. Afterwards, they're both grabbing each other.

When the corner is taken, everyone gets attracted to the ball and Rice is free. Not one player is tracking him. So, even if you do think it's a foul, it's still poor marking from Man Utd to allow a 6'2 player to have that space in the box in the first place.
 
BrunelGunner said:
I've watched it from 3 different angles and am not seeing what you've described. He's blocked Evans off after Evans tried to do the same thing (which is conveniently not shown on the video you've sent) as the corner is about to be swung in. Afterwards, they're both grabbing each other.

When the corner is taken, everyone gets attracted to the ball and Rice is free. So, even if you do think it's a foul, it's still poor marking from Man Utd to allow a 6'2 player to have that space in the box in the first place.
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If Evans does it before the corner's taken, then it's not a foul. The ball's not in play.
Gabriel then does it when the ball is in play, so it's a foul.

Rice is unmarked because Evans gets blocked off by Gabriel, who fouls him to do so.
They still should've realised this and had someone deal with it though, obviously.
I suspect that the changes Ten Hag made left people unsure about who they should be marking.
Replacing both of his centre-halves late on was a big risk and it didn't pay off.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
If Evans does it before the corner's taken, then it's not a foul. The ball's not in play.
Gabriel then does it when the ball is in play, so it's a foul.

Rice is unmarked because Evans gets blocked off by Gabriel, who fouls him to do so.
They still should've realised this and had someone deal with it though, obviously.
I suspect that the changes Ten Hag made left people unsure about who they should be marking.
Replacing both of his centre-halves late on was a big risk and it didn't pay off.
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I've watched it at 0.25 speed and they've both got a hold of each other - as most players do from corners because they're trying to attack/defend the ball. It's literally no different to what we see all the time. It's normal. When the ball goes over both of them, Gabriel is holding Evans for literally a second by the time Evans grabs Gabriel's shoulder and tries to get him away. Even if I were to believe that it's a foul, which I still don't think it is, they were never, ever going to rule that out. And it cannot be considered a 'clear and obvious' error, either.
 
BrunelGunner said:
I've watched it at 0.25 speed and they've both got a hold of each other - as most players do from corners because they're trying to attack/defend the ball. It's literally no different to what we see all the time. It's normal. When the ball goes over both of them, Gabriel is holding Evans for literally a second by the time Evans grabs Gabriel's shoulder and tries to get him away. Even if I were to believe that it's a foul, which I still don't think it is, they were never, ever going to rule that out. And it cannot be considered a 'clear and obvious' error, either.
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Evans is in front of him. Is he holding Gabriel with his bumcheeks or something?
He turns around and Gabriel holds him until Evans pushes him off and to the ground.
It's clearly this which prevents Evans from closing down Rice.

VAR should spot this and chalk off the goal. If it was at Luton or something, then they might.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Evans is in front of him. Is he holding Gabriel with his bumcheeks or something?
He turns around and Gabriel holds him until Evans pushes him off and to the ground.
It's clearly this which prevents Evans from closing down Rice.

VAR should spot this and chalk off the goal. If it was at Luton or something, then they might.
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They're both going for the same ball. Gabriel is in a more advantageous position because he's obviously trying to attack the goal. Evans isn't because his body shape is awkward, he's backtracking and he's grabbing Gabriel's arm from behind (as Gabriel is grabbing him too). Again I ask, how is this behaviour any different to what we see at virtually every game these days? Maybe if we're going strictly by the letter of the law, it could maybe be considered a foul, but in practical terms, it's never going to get given. Also, holding someone for one second should not constitute a clear and obvious error to overturn a goal. And clearly I am not alone in how I perceive it.

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